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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Angus (Forfarshire) => Topic started by: davhil01 on Wednesday 16 October 24 17:17 BST (UK)
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Hi
Sorry it's me again. I'm trying to locate the burial place of my grandfather Robert Thoms Oram b1884, St Clement's, Dundee, to James Oram & Mary Thoms.
Roberts first marriage was to Margaret Stottisood Black in 1915. She unfortunately died in 1920 aged 25
Robert then married my grandmother Charlotte Stewart Wallace b 1899 Lochee she died in 1951 in Dundee.
I do have the death certificate for Robert my grandfather. The death was registered by A. G Adams, welfare Officer on 13th March 1969.
I don't have any burial details for my Grandparents, and would appreciate any help anyone maybe able to give, or where I can enquire about the burial
Dave
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Burial records are mostly kept by the local authority, though records of closed/historic burial grounds may be with the council's Archives rather than the burial grounds office.
You didn't say whether or not Robert died in Dundee. Assuming that he did, the burial records should be with Dundee City Council Bereavement Services https://www.dundeecity.gov.uk/service-area/neighbourhood-services/environment/bereavement-services-a-guide-to-the-citys-cemeteries
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Hi
Yes, Sorry Robert did die in Dundee at the maryfield Hospital in Dundee. I will contact Dundee City.gov.uk and put a request in.
Thank you for that information
Dave
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Your grandfather may have been cremated rather than buried.
Dundee Crematorium was opened in 1936 and is situated at McAlpine Road, Dundee.
Just an alternative to think about.
Dorrie
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Contact details for the Crematorium https://www.dignityfunerals.co.uk/crematoria-and-cemeteries/crematoria/find-a-crematorium/dundee-crematorium/
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Your grandfather may have been cremated rather than buried.
Dundee Crematorium was opened in 1936 and is situated at McAlpine Road, Dundee.
Just an alternative to think about.
Dorrie
Thank you for that Dorrie. I will contact them to check
Dave
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Contact details for the Crematorium https://www.dignityfunerals.co.uk/crematoria-and-cemeteries/crematoria/find-a-crematorium/dundee-crematorium/
Much appreciated for your link. Will get on to it today
Thank You
Dave
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His mother was buried in Balgay Cemetery.
Courier 11-1-1951:
ORAM. - At 9 Balgay St., Lochee, on Jan. 10,
1951, Mary Thoms, widow of James Oram, in
her 86th year. Funeral to Balgay Cemetery
on Fri. at 2 p.m. No flowers.
Courier 24-5-1952:
ORAM. - In loving memory of out dear sister, and
dear mother, Charlotte Wallace, who died May
25, 1951. - Inserted by her brother, sister-in-law,
and Ella and Eric, 10 Clepington St.
People's Journal 25-9-1915
ORAM - BLACK. - At Dundee, on 24th inst., by
special license, Robert, only son of Mr and Mrs
James Oram, 9 Balgay Street, Lochee, to Maggie
Spottiswoode Black, youngest daughter of the late
Gardyne Black and Mrs Robertson, 48 Small's
Wynd, Dundee.
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Thank you very much GR2, for that information on the 3 burials. It's much appreciated
ORAM - BLACK. - At Dundee, on 24th inst., by
special license?
I'm wondering now why would a special license be required for a burial 🤔
Edit
I've got it now the last one was the marriage of Robert and Margaret. 😊
Kind Regards
Dave Oram
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UPDATE
I had a reply from Laura at Dundeecity.gov for the burial for Robert.
I have found Robert Oram, 22 Balunie Drive, Dundee, died 08/03/1969, ashes interred 6th March 1907. However, our records give his age as 72 years ! It names his spouse as Margaret S Black. He is interred in Balgay Cemetery, Dundee, Section DD, lair number 183.
Unfortunately I still cannot find any records for Charlotte but I can confirm that she is not interred with Robert.
Age doesn't seem right, but that could of been a mistake by the person, relative arranging the cremation. Also might be a mistake of the interment date of 1907
Thank you for all your help on the post
Dave
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Hi Dave,
The information supplied by Laura at Dundee City Archives doesn't seem quite right to me. I would get back to her and query where the date of 1907 fits in with a death in 1969???? Also ask her who else is buried in the grave.
I cannot see someone being cremated and then the ashes interred in a grave unless it already held family members.
My great aunt and uncle are buried in Balgay and when their daughter died a number of years later her ashed were interred beside her parents.
Dorrie
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Hi Dorrie, I did reply to her email asking about the 1907, but I haven't had a reply yet. When I do I will update the information
Dave
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Thats great Dave.
Dorrie