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Title: Missing marriage - Morozoff
Post by: z on Wednesday 16 October 24 11:46 BST (UK)
Hi  :)

Looking for some help finding a marriage.

I thought this would be fairly straight forward as the groom was John Morozoff b Russia 1865 he was apparently married to Emily Elizabeth Hall b 1866 Middlesex.

They are found together in the 1881 census as a married couple but I cannot find their marriage.

Any help would be great.

Many thanks

Z
Title: Re: Missing marriage - Morozoff
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 16 October 24 12:06 BST (UK)
Born Russia 1865 & b Middlesex 1866 but together as a married couple in 1881??
Title: Re: Missing marriage - Morozoff
Post by: z on Wednesday 16 October 24 12:07 BST (UK)
Well spotted 1891 census  ;D

Z
Title: Re: Missing marriage - Morozoff
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 16 October 24 12:08 BST (UK)
When was their first child born?
Title: Re: Missing marriage - Morozoff
Post by: z on Wednesday 16 October 24 12:11 BST (UK)
John Morozoff 1892 St James London

Later information gives his birth as 12th Aug 1891, he is now John Morrison
Title: Re: Missing marriage - Morozoff
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 16 October 24 12:23 BST (UK)
Quite a comprehensive tree on Ancestry but no mention of a marriage.

You could buy a digital copy of one of the children’t birth certs for £3 to see if Emily is shown as “nee Hall” or just as Emily Elizabeth Hall.

Whilst it’s not proof positive it can sometimes indicate there was no marriage
Title: Re: Missing marriage - Morozoff
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 16 October 24 12:26 BST (UK)
Was Emily’s fathers name John Thomas Hall?
Title: Re: Missing marriage - Morozoff
Post by: z on Wednesday 16 October 24 12:33 BST (UK)
No - I believe it was James George Hall b1816 Poplar he was a ship joiner married to Harriett Stebbing

Several of his children listed him as John Charles Hall on their marriage certificate not sure why but I'm trying to find his death and it's proving to be tricky so I thought if I could find his last childs marriage information I would able to narrow down dates for his death, it may or may not list him as deceased, but now I cannot find the marriage information of his last child - Emily Elizabeth Hall.

Thanks for looking I appreciate your help

Z
Title: Re: Missing marriage - Morozoff
Post by: Dundee on Wednesday 16 October 24 13:23 BST (UK)
Are James and Harriet the couple living in Poplar in 1861?  Their youngest daughter is Jane and as Harriet was aged 51 it is highly unlikely that she had a child in 1866.

HALL, JANE
Mother's maiden surname: STEBBING     
GRO Reference: 1850  D Quarter in POPLAR UNION  Volume 02  Page 386

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Missing marriage - Morozoff
Post by: Dundee on Wednesday 16 October 24 13:51 BST (UK)
Was it Emily's father who was the son of James and Harriet?

HALL, JAMES  GEORGE
Mother's maiden surname: STEBBING     
GRO Reference: 1842  D Quarter in POPLAR UNION  Volume 02  Page 312

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Missing marriage - Morozoff
Post by: z on Wednesday 16 October 24 14:22 BST (UK)
My apologies Debra I posted this in a hurry - I was trying to get the dog out inbetween showers !!

James George Hall was married in 1864 to Louisa Elizabeth Moyse, Harriett Stebbing was his mother, his father was also called James Hall.

James and Louise had 4 children :-

Emily Elizabeth Hall  - married in ??
James Charles Hall   - married in 1888 father listed as deceased
Joseph John Hall      - married in 1897
Louisa Harriet Hall    - died in 1872

Emily Elizabeth Hall was his first child b 1866 - I have found the marriages of all the other children but not Emily's who appears to have married a John Morozoff