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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Aberdeenshire => Topic started by: jessienicolson on Wednesday 16 October 24 08:04 BST (UK)
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Does anyone have access to the Buchan Observer of 18th April 1949. I understand there is an item on this date regarding a James Sutherland. Peterhead.
I would be interested to know if this is the James Sutherland, some of Thomas Sutherland, whom I have been trying to find for several years. MANY THANKS
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There are items published throughout April 1949 referring to a Displenish Sale at Pitbirn St Fergus for a Messrs James Sutherland (Peterhead Ltd). and for sale are livestock and agricultural implements.
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Upon closer inspection I realise that the various items from the April dates refer to several different sales:
5th April – Auchmaud, Ellon
12th April – Newseat, St Fergus
12th April – Auchmaud, Ellon
19th April – Pitbirn, St Fergus
26th April – Auchtydore, Longside
26th April – Blackhills, Rora, Longside
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Many thanks for taking the trouble to look at the item for me, I dont think it is the James Sutherland I am looking for. It is a common name which doesnt help. I attach a photo of father and sons Sutherland taken during the first world war. I only knew of James when I found the family in Abedeen in 1901 and have never found his birth or anything else about him. He may have died during the war. I did find deaths of the father Thomas and the othe son Thomas, but James seems to have escaped me. James is on the left with soldiers uniform, Father in the middle, a marine Engineer and brother Thomas who was Naval reserve.
Once again, thanks for your help.
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Is this family on the 1901 census at Wales Street Aberdeen ?
Thomas Sutherland age 35 b Greenock ( marine engineer)
Jane Sutherland age 38 b Alford
James Sutherland age 13 b Glasgow
Thomas Sutherland age 8 b Glasgow transcribed as Clegg on Ancestry
Rosie
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Using the free indices at Scotlands People I can see:
Thomas Sutherland 35, St Nicholas, Aberdeen ref 168/122/28
Jane Sutherland 38, St Nicholas, Aberdeen ref 168/122/28
James Sutherland 13, St Nicholas, Aberdeen ref 168/122/28
Thomas C Sutherland 8, St Nicholas, Aberdeen ref 168/122/28
I imagine that the identical refs mean that they are one family. It's 6 credits to see the record.
added: they are the only four who match in 1901 Sutherland/Aberdeen/St Nicholas with that ref. no.
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Using the free indices at Scotlands People I can see:
Thomas Sutherland 35, St Nicholas, Aberdeen ref 168/122/28
Jane Sutherland 38, St Nicholas, Aberdeen ref 168/122/28
James Sutherland 13, St Nicholas, Aberdeen ref 168/122/28
Thomas C Sutherland 8, St Nicholas, Aberdeen ref 168/122/28
I imagine that the identical refs mean that they are one family. It's 6 credits to see the record.
Yes that is the same reference number the original on Scotlandspeople
Rosie
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What was the maiden surname of Jane Sutherland, wife of Thomas senior and presumably mother of James and of Thomas junior?
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Thanks to all for replying to me. Yes in the 1901 census the family were living in Constitution Street, Aberdeen, thats when I realies there was a son James.
Thomas Sutherland Snr married Jane Reid, but she died in 1906 and the family appear to have moved up to Peterhead, probably because Thos Snr was a marine engineer. He did remarry and moved down to Grimsby.
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Noting that Thomas Sutherland and Jane Reid were married in 1891, could James b c 1887 be a child of an earlier marriage, and if so whose is he - Thomas' or Jane's? Does the 1891 marriage record say if Thomas senior was widowed? And if so does his death certificate give the name of his first wife?
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Jane and Thomas Snr did mrry in 1891, no mention of him being a widower. And they had son Thos Sutherland in 1891.
Jane Reid from Alford, had several illegitimate children before she married, one being my grandmother born iun 1894. There seem to be small gaps in between each child, so as James was born approx 1887, it is possible that he is the child of Jane and Thomas.
Thomas probably moved back to the Glasgow area, as he was a marine engineer and she probably followed him. I am only guessisng this of course.
Afteer Glasgow they moved back to Aberdeen where Jane died in 1906 and Thomas and Thos Jnr, and maybe James moved up to Peterhead, in 1906 and he remarried in 1906.
I had a peep at the 1921 England and it looks as if he is in Grimsby then.
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So is that not the family at Wales Street in 1901?
You said your Grandmother was born illegitimate 1894
Jane Reid married Thomas Sutherland 1891 Glasgow had they separated ?
Rosie
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Sorry, my grandmother was born 1884. All of the illegitimate children of Jane Reid,were not brought up by her. My grandmother was brought up by another family in Aberdeen where she was born. What is interesting during my family history re Janes family, and meeting people with photographs of the Reid family, there was not even one photo of Jane.
She appears to have lied about her age, making herself several years younger than she really was.
What a woman.
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Yes I can see she has made herself a lot younger I can see from a tree with certificates from S P she was born 1852 Alford
And from her marriage she is aged 31 I notice occupation for Thomas Sutherland ( groom)
Rosie
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The address shown on the marriage cert. is 396 Parliamentary Road, St Rollox, Glasgow.
In the 1891 census transcripts show a married Jane Sutherland age 32 b Aberdeen at this address. Her occupation is given as sausage maker. You would need to look at the original on SP to confirm if anyone else was in the household - the transcripts have her as head and on her own.( The ref is 644/6 1/ 10 St Rollox RD).
William
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So James could be another illegitimate child of Jane Reid, then?
There are 15 James Reids born in Glasgow 1886-1888, two with mother's maiden surname Reid, the rest with no mother's maiden surname. See screenshot.
There are also two James Sutherlands with no mother's maiden surname. I did compare the two lists and there are no matches, so it's not a case of James being registered as an illegitimate son of Thomas S and Jane Reid.
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And Thomas Sutherland is still at 396 Parliamentary Road Glasgow 1892 electoral rolls Occupation Storeman
Rosie
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Thank you for the info of the 1892 electoral roll.
I have never been able to establish if James Sutherland survived the first world war. His brother died in a hospital in England from what I think may have been the flu epedemic of 1920. He had served during the war on HMS Thalia.
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the only illegitimate child of my great gradnmother Jane Reid who had the father named was JohnGray who went to live with his father John Gray. My grandmother Elspet Reid born 1884 Aberdeen did not have father named and I think Thomas Sutherland may have been the father. She was brought up by a Cormack family in Aberdeen, who lived nearby to where Jane Reid was living.
James Sutherland has been a puzzle for many years but one day all will come to light.
I thank everyone who has given me information. Thanks
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Yes it is a tricky one ??? As James is not showing on the 1891 census with Jane Sutherland and neither is Thomas .
Do you have the marriage certificate for Thomas Sutherland 1906 to see if maybe he was a witness .
I seen the certificate for Thomas Sutherland the son but no luck there being a witness
Rosie
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Unfortunately I am unable to put my hand onit at present, but I remember seeing it and he definitely wasnt on as a witness, it was his wifes relatives, I remember it well. I think James having been born approx 1887 may not have moved to Peterhead with his father and brother in 1906. I am only guessing at the moment.
Regarding the birth of my grandmother Elspet, illegitimate daughter of Jane Reid, her full name on her birth cert in 1884 is Elspet Sutherland Reid. I feel sure Thomas was her father. On the photographof Thomas Snr with James and Thomas Jr, I did notice a strong resemblance with Thos Jr and a male cousin of mine.
I am not sure which regiment James would have been with in the first world war.