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Title: Finding Beatrice
Post by: Debs1962 on Monday 14 October 24 21:37 BST (UK)
Hello everyone.

I am hoping someone can help me. I have found out my grandad had a sister we had no idea about. Her name was Beatrice Genevieve Round.  She was born in 1887 to Samuel and Beatrice Round.

Sadly he father, a professor of music,  passed away in 1898 aged 32. The 1901 census shows her living at 16 Norland Square in kensington. Part of the address reads like its an orphanage? Society of musicians.

I would love to know why she was there when she had a mother and 1 sister and 3 brothers. Can anyone suggest where I might get some joy in finding answers
Title: Re: Finding Beatrice
Post by: Neale1961 on Tuesday 15 October 24 00:43 BST (UK)
I would say, it was simply a case of the mother needing help to support her children, after the loss of her husband’s income
Beatrice Genevieve was the oldest and was able to be schooled, clothed and fed by the Society of Musicians.
The alternative for the child might have been sent into domestic service at the age of 12.  :'(
I see by 1911 census, the mother is now working and earning her own income.


Information here about the Independent Society of Musicians
https://www.ism.org/about/history/
Title: Re: Finding Beatrice
Post by: scotmum on Tuesday 15 October 24 00:54 BST (UK)
Looks to have married a Frank Norton and become Beatrice Genevieve Norton in 1908. Died in 1971. One daughter and two sons.
Title: Re: Finding Beatrice
Post by: hanes teulu on Tuesday 15 October 24 11:34 BST (UK)
Bournemouth Graphic, 1 Jul 1909
Title: Re: Finding Beatrice
Post by: hanes teulu on Tuesday 15 October 24 11:39 BST (UK)
The Stage, 8 Feb 1900
Title: Re: Finding Beatrice
Post by: Debs1962 on Monday 21 October 24 20:35 BST (UK)
Thank you everyone. I do appreciate it.
Title: Re: Finding Beatrice
Post by: Debs1962 on Monday 21 October 24 20:40 BST (UK)
Scotmum... I only found out about Kathleen and Sydney. Do you know what the other son's name was/is at all please
Title: Re: Finding Beatrice
Post by: scotmum on Monday 21 October 24 23:08 BST (UK)
Kathleen?

Not seeing a Kathleen. Free BMD has these likely births in 1911, 1913 & 1914 :

Norton    Phyllis L    Round    Gloucester    

Norton    Sydney E    Round    Chipping N.   

Norton    John D            Round    Chipping N.   

Of these, Sydney and Phyllis appear to be at home with Frank and Beatrice in 1939, along with Phyllis' husband, a Donald Goldsmith Johnson.

Marriages Dec 1935  :

Norton    Phyllis L    Johnson    Romford   
 
Johnson    Donald G    Norton    Romford   
Title: Re: Finding Beatrice
Post by: scotmum on Monday 21 October 24 23:15 BST (UK)
Found this re Donald and Phyllis:

https://family-maw-co-uk.lauwens.com/getperson.php?personID=I74865&tree=Maw
Title: Re: Finding Beatrice
Post by: Debs1962 on Tuesday 22 October 24 14:03 BST (UK)
Scotmum, thank you so much for this. I found Phyllis and Donald yesterday. I didn't know about John.

Kathleen was born in 1910 and her married name was Beck. She had a daughter, also Kathleen Beck, who died aged 6 months. She is mentioned on Sydney's gravestone.

Your information is so helpful. Kind regards Debbie