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Can anyone find an obituary or other record of Percival George Smith? Here is what I have:
Born 3 October 1907 23 Warner St, Islington, London
Resided 1911 Lower Holloway, Islington, London with parents George and Charlotte Smith
Died June 1979 Chichester, Sussex (Vol 18 p1518)
Thanks for any help you can provide!
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Subject header says Welch - message Smith?? Details posted match surname Smith died Chichester Sussex - not Surrey - so you need to amend your Header to avoid confusion. I have amended it on this reply but you need to do the same
Have you looked for him on the 1939 register or looked for a marriage for him? www.freebmd.org.uk
1939 details can't be posted here as its only available by subscription but both Ancestry & FindMyPast offer a free index search & most local libraries offer free Ancestry access
No apparent probate entry
Buying a copy of the death cert will show who reported the death but that is not always a relative so may not help
EDIT - THERE IS A MATCHING BIRTHDATE ON THE 1939 REGISTER BUT FOR A PERCY E SMITH LIVING IN LONDON
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The family is in the 1921 census at 14 Sebbon Street, Islington
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC%2F1921%2FRG15%2F00993%2F0651%2F04&tab=this
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There is no birth reg for a Percy E or Percival E Smith in the Dec qtr 1907 & he is the only match to a birthdate of 3.10.07 on the 1939 register
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Can anyone find an obituary or other record of Percival George Smith?
Here is what I have:
Born 3 October 1907 23 Warner St, Islington, London
Resided 1911 Lower Holloway, Islington, London with parents George and Charlotte Smith
Died June 1979 Chichester, Sussex (Vol 18 p1518)
Thanks for any help you can provide!
For info.
1911 census with parents & siblings living 21 Warner Street
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWLT-82B
SMITH, PERCIVAL GEORGE mmn MACKINNON
GRO Reference: 1907 D Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 218
SMITH, ELSIE AMY mmn MACKINNON
GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 238
SMITH, DOROTHY MAY Mmn MACKINNON
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 389
Parents
George Charles Smith and Charlotte Louise Mackinnon married 3 Nov 1900 Saint Mark, Myddelton Square, Islington - image available to view on Anc*y
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Subject header still shows surname as Welch!! Can everybody who has replied access their reply & change surname on header to avoid confusion
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London Electoral Register
Charlotte Louise, Percival George Smith
Electoral Date 1935
Street Address 14 Sebbon Street
Ward or Division/Constituency Islington South and West
County or Borough Islington, England
George Charles & Charlotte Louise Smith living at that address 1919
Charlotte Louise, Percival George & Winifred Rose Smith
Electoral Date 1937
Street Address 140 Liverpool Road
Ward or Division/Constituency Islington South and West
County or Borough Islington
Others surnames same address Evans & Warren
SMITH, WINIFRED ROSE mmn MC KINNON
GRO Reference: 1918 M Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 333
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Subject header still shows surname as Welch!! Can everybody who has replied access their reply & change surname on header to avoid confusion
Thanks for the reminder will do that now Carole :)
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Thank you. I still can’t fathom why ela119 has that surname on the header
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Have been trying to modify header but failed. I'm trying something different here. Hope this works.
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Trying something else
Can anyone find an obituary or other record of Percival George Smith? Here is what I have:
Born 3 October 1907 23 Warner St, Islington, London
Resided 1911 Lower Holloway, Islington, London with parents George and Charlotte Smith
Died June 1979 Chichester, Sussex (Vol 18 p1518)
Thanks for any help you can provide!
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Have been trying to modify header but failed. I'm trying something different here. Hope this works.
I think the opportunity to modify your own posts, lapses after 24 hrs, but stand to be corrected.
Cas
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Buying a copy of the death cert will show who reported the death but that is not always a relative so may not help
I thought i could only get death certs up to 1958. Is there a way to order a 1979 cert?
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Use freeBMD to get the references
Deaths Jun 1979 (>99%)
SMITH PERCIVAL GEORGE 3OC1907 CHICHESTER 18 1518
Then go to https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/app_select.asp
And enter the details in the boxes and pay the money . Full price the only option I think for that recent a death.
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Many thanks to everyone who helped out with my requests. Apologies for the confision regarding the header.
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London Electoral Register
Charlotte Louise, Percival George Smith
Electoral Date 1935
Street Address 14 Sebbon Street
Ward or Division/Constituency Islington South and West
County or Borough Islington, England
George Charles & Charlotte Louise Smith living at that address 1919
Charlotte Louise, Percival George & Winifred Rose Smith
Electoral Date 1937
Street Address 140 Liverpool Road
Ward or Division/Constituency Islington South and West
County or Borough Islington
Others surnames same address Evans & Warren
SMITH, WINIFRED ROSE mmn MC KINNON
GRO Reference: 1918 M Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 333
For info. from the London Electoral Register I can confirm that the Smith’s are not living at 140 Liverpool Road, Islington in 1939 (surnames Evans, Griffiths & Warren) nor the year 1938 (surnames Austin, Evans & Warren)
Winfred Rose could have married, there is an entry in Islington Jun 1938 to Pearce, banns were read 6th, 13th 20th March 1938
probable death entry
Winifred Rose Pearce died age 71 Birth 11 Dec 1917
Registration Jul 1989 Camden Volume 14 Page 1512
edit to add in 1939 Harrow Middlesex (same dob as death)
Winifred R Pearce b1917 possibly visiting with her mother and married sister ???
add - London Electoral Register found Charlotte and her daughter
son/brother Percival not with them
Charlotte Louise Smith, Dorothy May & Walter Henry Cook
Electoral Date 1939
Street Address 79 Broomgrove Gardens
Ward or Division/Constituency Harrow East
County or Borough Hendon, England
Buying a copy of the death cert will show who reported the death but that is not always a relative so may not help
I thought i could only get death certs up to 1958. Is there a way to order a 1979 cert?
If you do purchase the death certificate please comeback and let us know if he was the correct Percival :)
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Thanks, Ladyhawke.
I went to the library as suggested and dug into the 1939 register.
But I couldnt find the info you gave on Dorothy and Winifred. Thanks so much for figuring that out.
I ordered Percival's death cert. I'll let you know what it says.
I agree with you that the electoral register reveals a lot, including the disappearance of Percival's dad George Charles in 1925. It appears that was the year he passed.
My ggm Amy Frances Welch nee Smith was estranged from her brother George Charles at the time of his death. Only sketchy details about this line of descendants were known to me but you and the rest of the good people on this thread have effected a belated reunion of sorts. For that I am grateful.
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If you do purchase the death certificate please comeback and let us know if he was the correct Percival :)
I received the death cert yesterday. The place and date of birth are a match. The informant is Freda V Smith.
Thanks again to everybody who helped!
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If you do purchase the death certificate please comeback and let us know if he was the correct Percival :)
I received the death cert yesterday. The place and date of birth are a match. The informant is Freda V Smith.
Thanks again to everybody who helped!
Thanks for the update and pleased that it was the correct Percival that married Freda in 1954 Islington