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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: Andrew C. on Tuesday 08 October 24 22:11 BST (UK)
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Can anyone make out the name of the informant on this birth certificate?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02969/2087552.pdf
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Surname looks to be Worthington.
Looked again and not so sure 🤔.
1901 census has Warmington in Tullyvallen.
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Newtownhamilton/Tullyvallen/1023692/
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https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Newtownhamilton/Tullyvallen/1023790/
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I thought Sarah Harrington
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Warmington looks good and as you found they were in the area.
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A Sarah Warmington died in 1892
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1892/06021/4714543.pdf
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Thanks I thought Hartington or Harrington but couldn’t see any local.
I am trying to piece together my great great grandmother’s life but tying myself in knots.
What I know for sure is she had my great grandfather John in Tullyvallan in 1878 no father recorded as above. I know John had at least two half siblings Jean/Jane and Minnie. In 1901 he was in Scotland and was going by the name John Chambers (census). He married in Loughgilly 1902 and gave his fathers name as John Chambers (farmer)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1902/10281/5741897.pdf
Sadly his wife Lizzie dies and he remarried in Scotland and states his mother is Mary McClelland, formerly Chambers nee McGaw. I can’t see any marriage for Mary McGaw and John Cambers in Ireland or Scotland so I am not convinced they were married.
So I presumed this was her marriage to John McClelland where it says she is a spinster.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1885/10882/5974393.pdf
I also presumed this is them in 1901 and 1911
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__Anne_s/Ballymurphy_Street/981803/
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__Anne_s/Ballymurphy_Street/981803/
The big problem with these presumptions is this Mary would only be around 12 in 1878 when John was born if this is the correct Mary and her age is roughly correct.
So as it stands I can’t really say anything for sure about her. Curiously there is another illegitimate birth in Castleblaney 1873 a Mary Jane McGaw born to Mary Jane McGaw,
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03201/2173775.pdf
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I also presumed this is them in 1901 and 1911
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__Anne_s/Ballymurphy_Street/981803/
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__Anne_s/Ballymurphy_Street/981803/
In 1911 living on the Falls Road-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__Anne_s_Ward/Falls_Road/182624/
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001526522/
Eldest daughter Jane Bella born 1 April 1887 at Ballygammon, Belfast.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02563/1948038.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/belfast-upper/shankill/ballygomartin/ballygammon/
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My maternal great grandmother was Sarah Warmington from Tullyvallen who married John Bailie.
I remember from my research that there is another Sarah Warmington from Tullyvallen about the same age but not related to me ( I think)
I also have McGaw/ Megaw/Megaw on my paternal side but from Skerrif townland , still in the same general area.
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When they marry in 1885, John is full age which generally meant over the age of 21. For women, full age was generally aged 18, but she is considerably older than he is the 1901 census. Your second link in your post is also for the 1901 census so here's the correct one for 1911:
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__Anne_s_Ward/Falls_Road/182624/
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When they marry in 1885, John is full age which generally meant over the age of 21. For women, full age was generally aged 18
Eileen: Full age was twenty-one or over for both sexes, a minor ("infant") being under 21.
Became 18 in 1969 for both sexes coinciding with the reduction voting age.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Geo6/12-13-14/76/section/78/enacted
Age of Majority Act (Northern Ireland) 1969 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/apni/1969/28/data.pdf
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Your second link in your post is also for the 1901 census so here's the correct one for 1911:
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__Anne_s_Ward/Falls_Road/182624/
Already attached in reply #6