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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Worcestershire => Topic started by: AntonP on Friday 04 October 24 08:51 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find out if the census records show more details of the exact address where the family of Thomas and Maria Weston Nee Jones, lived, which I have as Roberstend, civil parish of Hanley Castle, Worcestershire. (Thomas baptised 12.9.1790. Maria Jones baptised 27.12.1798)
I was wondering if the records showed if they lived in accommodation on the Robertsend farm premises or in a village or if the record just shows 'Roberstend'.
Thomas appears in all 3 census records. Maria only appeared in the 1841 census and then disappeared from following census. She died 22.6.1864.
I would be very grateful if someone might be able to help me with this search?
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You have presumably viewed the original 1841 image which shows Thomas was a sawyer. That is the only info on their address at that time. If you look at the following pages of entries you will find a great many show the same address. Same in 1851
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This is the Enumerator's walk for the 1841 census.
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The Enumerator's walk description in 1851 also refers to Roberts End STREET.
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Thomas Weston’s 1861 address (census) is Robertsend Road.
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On the 1851 Census "Thomas Weston, Robertsend, Sawyer". The preceding entry reads "George Bluck, Holloway, Farmer 136 acres".
On the '41 Census Thomas is next 'Thomas Baylis, Robertsend, baker".
Billings 1855 Directory - shows Thomas Baylis, Robertsend Street and George Bluck, Northfield Farm
https://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/digital/collection/p16445coll4/id/299737/rec/1
Map shows Holloway and Northfield Farm
https://maps.nls.uk/view/101586760
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Post Office Directory .... Worcestershire 1850
Hanley Castle, pages 435-436
https://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/digital/collection/p16445coll4/id/369723/rec/4
Thomas Weston listed - no address
George Bluck - Holloway Farm
(use > for next page)
Note the description of Robertsend Street.
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Good Morning.
I think Robertsend was a bit further across .
If you go to Hanley Swan it is on the road going right towards Hanley Castle towards Horton Mill Farm.
In 1885 there are about 14 houses or cottages on the South side of the road labelled Roberts End.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/101586751
To get the exact house you need the tithe map c 1830's which if they were living there then would give the exact property.
Unfortunately it's not yet on Worcester's free tithe map site but will be at the Archives.
https://gis.worcestershire.gov.uk/website/HanleyCastleMapping/
Has some info but is a bit vague but does give owners of the land for 1797 .Apparently there is a 1852 parish map.
1797
parcel of land 197 William Jones house and orchard
461 next door Samuel Jones cottage and garden
Nothside
935 William Jones
331 William Jones pasture
330 William Jones ex Samuel Jones cottage and pasture
925 Edmund Jones Swan Inn.
In 1851 census the Weston are definitely at the right hand side of the Street near Holloway Farm perhaps just before Ivy House? 1903 ordnance map Chance Flowers just on the Northside after Holloway farm?
https://s0.geograph.org.uk/photos/48/05/480509_9aa0a1d1.jpg
If you have the Genealogist then the tithe map it is on there but you do need a Sub or to pay.
But it is one of those cottages next to the Farm
Ciderdrinker
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Unfortunately the tithe map coverage at thegenealogist has a gap extending from Malvern Wells in the west, across to Hanley Castle, so Hanley Swan and Robert's End are not available.
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The '51 Census runs "Burley (Birley?) End, Pool House, Key (Quay?) Lane, Turnpike, Bowling Green, Dog Hound, Cross Hands, Cawford Lane, Holloway, Robertsend (Thomas Weston is the 1st entry under this address).
Cawford Lane - Thesis by James Patrick Twoomey, Birmingham Uni "A medievil (sic) woodland Manor: Hanley Castle.
"83: Caleforde (... early 14th Century) becomes Cawford and Cawfoot in the 17th and eighteenth centuries, and lies on the Mere Brook, south of Gilbert's End Farm".
Cawford Lane would appear to be the road running south from Robertsend to Gilbert's End Farm, just after the "Smithy" marked on the old map at post #15.
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Thank you all for the time spent to follow up on my query. Its very much appreciated.
I accessed the census records some 10 years ago and at that time were following up on some 30 names. In looking at the info last week I wondered if I had missed more details about Thomas's specific address in the census, but obviously not.
Thank you for looking in other records to try and find his home.
As commented, Thomas was a 'sawyer' in the 41 and 51 census (like his father). In the '61 census he is a farmer of 14 acres - at the age of 71- so possibly he moved from his '51 address. I would like to ask the Rootschat experts how could a 'sawyer' move up in occupation/standing/wealth like this in those times? (I assume he would be a tenant and not own the farm).
Again, your help is really appreciated by very amateur 'ancestor hunters' like myself!
Anton
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From an article "Money Order Offices" , 2 April 1862, Teesdale Mercury (also published in many other newspapers) a snippet on the history of Robertsend Street:
4. The office at "Robertsend-street" (Worcester) will henceforth be designated "Hanley Castle" – By command of the Postmaster-General, ROWLAND HILL, Secretary, General Post-office, March 21