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Morning to all . Apologies for this post being a little long winded .
Looking for a little help with new Barnett surnames to my treeline I've been working on over the weekend .
From Familysearch I have Thomas Burnett ( known to be a mariner ) and family in Hotwells Rd , Bristol which I believe from Bristols Lost Pubs website to be The Tiger Tavern , 42 Hotwells Rd . I have asked of any knowledge for this public house on a local site but as of yet no info . of possible use although I believe I have defined its position .
From the 1851 census return , Thomas Barnett was b . in Milford est . 1794 ( 1841 suggests Glouc ) and died Jun 1/4 1862 Clifton 6a 48 .
Jane Barnett ( wife ) is shown on the 1851 as b . Swansea est 1795 ( 1841 suggests Glouc ) and 1871 census shows her as a widowed beer keeper 76 y b . Swansea ( Bristols Lost Pubs site again suggests she is still at The Tiger Tavern, Hotwells ) .
She has died at 77 y Clifton 6a 48 in Mar 1/4 1872 .
A Familysearch entry shows a Thomas Barnett and Jane ( Hopkins ) mrd . in Bristol 24 Feb 1817 and is the only name connection I've found for a Thomas and Jane ( Barnett ) . This marriage falls in line with the bp . of the early children .
Has anyone info . ref . this mrg . to support the Barnett / Hopkins connection in Bristol . Familysearch shows St . James is where some of their children were bp . and maybe the church of choice for the mrg .
Also I have no 1861 census record of the family and believe as they were at 42 Hotwells Rd ( Tiger Tavern ) in 1841 , 1851 and known there ( Jane ) in 1871 , that they were at this address .
Any help would be much appreciated , thankyou in advance
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Swansea is also a port town, Thomas was a mariner, there is a possibility he met and married Jane in
Swansea, later moving to Bristol.
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1861 Hotwells Road is around RG9/1727 f10 p14 & RG9/1727 f24 p1.
There are no property numbers showing. I have not looked at further pages around these areas.
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The son is named Thomas Rees Barnett bap 7 March 1830 at St James Bristol.
Could Rees be an indication of his mother's maiden name?
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Is this a possibility for 1861?
Thomas Barnett
Age 68
Estimated Birth Year abt 1793
Relation Captain of the Torridge
Born Parish St James Bristol
Civil Parish Vessels
Cardiff Dock, Glamorgan
Piece 4527
Folio 53
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29 May 1862: Western Daily Press
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1861 Census has her as James but everything else for her fits
Name James Barnett
Gender Female
Age 67
Relation Wife
Estimated Birth Year 1794
Where born Swansea, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish Clifton
Household schedule number 152
Piece 1727
Folio 17
Page number 27
Household Members
James Barnett 67 Wife
Thomas Barnett 31 Son
Amelia Haynes 28 Lodger
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22 July 1870: Western Daily Press
added: a reference to a Mr Thomas King being the resident of the Tiger Tavern in 1872 suggests that this death put an end to the Barnett tenancy.
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Re 1861 for Jane.
On the line above her entry but indicated in the same household there is a ?? Rees a 33 year old carpenter. Writing is awful and the household marker could be in the wrong place, but the Rees surname made me wonder.
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Of possible interest:
In hearings for applications for new licenses -
"Mrs Barnett, 42, Hotwell Road. In this case the posting of the notices was not proved, and the application was not entertained."
Monday, Sept. 10, 1866
Publication: Western Daily Press
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29 August 1863: Western Daily Press
A Thomas Rees Barnett of Bristol qualifying as a marine engineer in 1863:
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"On the 19th inst., at the Tiger Tavern, Hotwell Road, Mr THOMAS REES BARNETT, only son of Mrs Barnett, aged 40."
Friday, July 22, 1870
Publication: Western Daily Press
Modified to add:
For some strange reason the previous posts by AlanBoyd were not showing when I posted these transcriptions. ???
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"A FACT FOR NATURALISTS,- Mrs Barnett, of the Tiger Tavern, Hotwell Road, has in her possession a gray parrot which has laid two eggs, after being confined in a cage 17 years."
Thursday, May 29, 1862
Publication: Western Daily Press
Modified to add:
For some strange reason the previous posts by AlanBoyd were not showing when I posted these transcriptions. ???
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Also I have no 1861 census record of the family and believe as they were at 42 Hotwells Rd ( Tiger Tavern ) in 1841 , 1851 and known there ( Jane ) in 1871 , that they were at this address .
For interest, in 1862 it seems a Mary MORGAN, widow, was the keeper of the Tiger Tavern, Hotwell Road. (a witness at a manslaughter inquiry)
Thursday, Oct. 9, 1862
Publication: Western Daily Press
Though Thomas BARNETT is the landlord in 1860 when a theft was reported.
Tuesday, Feb. 28, 1860
Publication: Western Daily Press
Variously called the Tiger Tavern and the Tiger beerhouse.
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Has this already been posted?
"May 31, at Hotwells, Captain Thomas Barnett, upwards of 50 years in the service of the War Office and Bristol General Steam Navigation Company, aged 69."
Thursday, June 12, 1862
Publication: Bath Chronicle and Weekly Gazette
Also in the Swansea and Glamorgan Herald
Wednesday, June 18, 1862
Modified to add:
Some info re the War Office Steam Packet Company / Bristol General Steam Navigation Company
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_General_Steam_Navigation_Company
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Also I have no 1861 census record of the family and believe as they were at 42 Hotwells Rd ( Tiger Tavern ) in 1841 , 1851 and known there ( Jane ) in 1871 , that they were at this address .
Jane and son Thomas are on Hotwell Rd in 1861. She is written as "James", though it says "wife".
James [sic] BARNETT 67 Swansea (beer house keeper)
Thomas 31 Bristol (engineer)
Amelia HAYNES 28 Haverfordwest (lodger)
RG9/1727/17 pg 27
Transcribed as Sarah BARNETT on familysearch - and they have included the households above on the actual census sheet.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7VL-8P3
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FindMyPast marriages (transcript only)
Date 24 Feb 1817, place Temple Church, Bristol
Jane Hopkins (with an "s"), residence Temple and Thomas Barnett, residence Temple, by Banns, witnesses Letitia Barnett and Barnett Hichason (sic).
FindMyPast baptisms (transcript/image)
Jane Hopkin (no "s"), 22 Aug 1795, place Llansamlet, father Morgan
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Swansea is also a port town, Thomas was a mariner, there is a possibility he met and married Jane in
Swansea, later moving to Bristol.
Agree and trying to narrow down all Bristol connections before expanding into Wales .
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1861 Hotwells Road is around RG9/1727 f10 p14 & RG9/1727 f24 p1.
There are no property numbers showing. I have not looked at further pages around these areas.
Thankyou for looking..Freecen shows roads / features to the left and right of no . 42 that fall into what are there today . Never overly complacent with all info . I'm confident at the moment that it was opposite the Albion / Hills dockyard on the Hotwells Road approaching Jacob Wells Road ( for those that know the area ) .
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The son is named Thomas Rees Barnett bap 7 March 1830 at St James Bristol.
Could Rees be an indication of his mother's maiden name?
It does seem a strange additional to the name and one I will be aware of going forward..thankyou
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Is this a possibility for 1861?
Thomas Barnett
Age 68
Estimated Birth Year abt 1793
Relation Captain of the Torridge
Born Parish St James Bristol
Civil Parish Vessels
Cardiff Dock, Glamorgan
Piece 4527
Folio 53
glenclare , thankyou for your posts..there is some great info . I will be working on especially the shipping company which is known to me from previous surnames in the family .
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29 May 1862: Western Daily Press
AlanBoyd , thankyou once again as you've helped me previously on another of my requests . The news articles are always a step forward in my research .
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Barnett/Torridge
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3381111/3381119/52/barnett%2BAND%2Btorridge
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Of possible interest:
In hearings for applications for new licenses -
"Mrs Barnett, 42, Hotwell Road. In this case the posting of the notices was not proved, and the application was not entertained."
Monday, Sept. 10, 1866
Publication: Western Daily Press
maddys52 , thankyou for your help with the info . you posted certainly a big help in building up my research on this new surname in my family .
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Also I have no 1861 census record of the family and believe as they were at 42 Hotwells Rd ( Tiger Tavern ) in 1841 , 1851 and known there ( Jane ) in 1871 , that they were at this address .
Jane and son Thomas are on Hotwell Rd in 1861. She is written as "James", though it says "wife".
Thankyou maddys52..even playing around with name on Familysearch never revealed this .
James [sic] BARNETT 67 Swansea (beer house keeper)
Thomas 31 Bristol (engineer)
Amelia HAYNES 28 Haverfordwest (lodger)
RG9/1727/17 pg 27
Transcribed as Sarah BARNETT on familysearch - and they have included the households above on the actual census sheet.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7VL-8P3
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FindMyPast marriages (transcript only)
Date 24 Feb 1817, place Temple Church, Bristol
Jane Hopkins (with an "s"), residence Temple and Thomas Barnett, residence Temple, by Banns, witnesses Letitia Barnett and Barnett Hichason (sic).
FindMyPast baptisms (transcript/image)
Jane Hopkin (no "s"), 22 Aug 1795, place Llansamlet, father Morgan
Thankyou Hanes Teula for your posts - going to work on info . regarding the ship name Torridge . The mrg . date I previously believed for Thomas and Ann via Familysearch has also been supported by you with a venue . The bp . info . showing her father is new as ref . my o/p so thankyou for that .
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I have directed you to a possible baptism for "your" Jane.
Re the marriage you have 2 interesting witness names. Unfortunately, I only have access to the transcript - hence Barnett Hichason surname remains a puzzle.
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I have directed you to a possible baptism for "your" Jane.
Re the marriage you have 2 interesting witness names. Unfortunately, I only have access to the transcript - hence Barnett Hichason surname remains a puzzle.
Thankyou again..I did wonder if it should have been Richardson or a similar name..time will tell
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FindMyPast Merchant Service Records
Thomas Barnett, age 47, birth place - Bristol
m, 18 498, Dec 42, Phoenix; m, 18 598, Dec 42, Rose
key - m = mate, 18 = Bristol (port of departure), 498/598 (destination - don't have the codes for these but see below)
Cheltenham Chronicle, 1 Dec 1842
BRISTOL GENERAL STEAM NAVIGATION COMPANY'S OFFICE, 1 Quay, Bristol
The following steam vessels are intended to sail from Cumberland Basin, Bristol .... with liberty to tow vessels during December 1842
For Tenby - Star, Tuesdays; Phoenix - Fridays
For Cork - Rose, Tuesdays
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FindMyPast has a baptism (transcript only) of a Thomas Bannett (sic), 21 July 1793, place Bitton St Mary, town Bristol, father William, mother Mary.
FindMyPast Merchant Service record a Thomas Barnett, mate, born 1 Mar 1793, Bristol, 5 yrs in the navy, resides Bristol.
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Thankyou for the additional details..info . on the ships sailed on is interesting and something to work on..appreciate your help
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Thankyou for the additional details..info . on the ships sailed on is interesting and something to work on..appreciate your help
You're welcome
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Possible death of witness? :-\
HICKASON, BARNETT
Age at Death (in years): 86
GRO Reference: 1845 M Quarter in BRISTOL Volume 11 Page 151
Add in his burial, 20 Feb 1845
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTSN-PWL
Is this him in Bristol in 1841?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7MW-JXY
FamilySearch has a widowed Barnett Hickason marrying Jane Millinton, 31 July 1828, Bedminster
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6DMP-YH9N
Earlier marriage (Bernard or Barnett) to Betty Sidnell at Bristol St. James, 1 May 1782
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NFRF-S8Q
Was he belatedly baptized in Bristol in 1793 as Barnard Hickason?
And was he Bernard Hickason, "a Bristol custom house officer"! :-\
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