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Hi
I am looking for information about birth and parentage of Mary Coupe nee Walsh. Born approximately 1845-1849 Mayo Ireland. Buried 25 January 1916 aged 67 at St James the Apostle , Wardle, near Rochdale, Lancashire.
Married Thomas Coupe in 1867 at St Bartholomew's, Whitworth, Lancaster.
Mary Walsh, 22, spinster, residence Whitworth, father John Walsh, Labourer.
Can't find her on the 1871 census but can see her husband, Thomas, and child John Thomas Walsh age 6 listed.
Found on census and lots of other records after 1871.
Thank you
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1871 census for Mary, recorded as Walsh, but is married and should be Coupe.
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Piece 4118
Folio 53
Page number 2
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KD6Z-Z9S
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1861 census Blackburn - Possibility - living with a John and Bridget Walsh and John and Catherine Walsh the three families listed as cousins.
John Walsh 45 born Sligo Ireland (all)
Mary 50
John 18
Mary 16
Bridget 14
Patrick 12
Hannah 10
Honor 8
Catherine 6
James 4
Michael 2
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Thank you that may be her. :)
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Hi softly softly
Thank you for your reply . Thank you for your suggestion that she was staying with family during census time, however I think this is not a match.
There are two families here Martin Walsh and Catherine with Mary Ann 13, Margaret 8 and Catherine 6.
Mary Walsh ( sister ) with Ann 6, Edward 4 and Thomas 2.
There is no mention of these children in subsequent census.
Many thanks aber
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There are 13 possible baptism records returned in a search for a Mary Walsh, father John Walsh born Co Mayo between 1845 to 1849.
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The names of the children may give a clue as to her mother.
John Thomas Walsh 1865 Illegitimate
Female Coupe no name in registry 1868 reg. Rochdale mother's maiden name Walsh -
James William Coupe 1869 possible death 27 December 1883 age 13
Robert Coupe 1872 mmn Welsh
Margaret Ann Coupe 1874 mmn Welsh death 1876 age 2
Sophia Coupe 1876 mmn Walsh buried 15 March 1877 age 1
Ellis Coupe 1878
Joseph Coupe 1880
Lancashire Parish Records online
GRO Index - all registered Rochdale various spelling of mother's maiden name.
Problem is we don't know the name of the first female 1868 usually named for the maternal grandmother. If 1861 is correct then she was possibly named Mary.
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Many thanks for your reply and details that I was not aware of. Mary was my great grandmother. I have gathered quite a lot of information on her after her marriage but have been unable to get information of her before her marriage in 1867 at St Bartholomew, Whitworth, Lancashire.(/I have a copy of the marriage certificate).
Thank you for information about female child born 1868. In 1911 Mary stated she had had 10 children born alive but only 5 were still alive.
I have managed to find 8 children. John Thomas 1865, James Ivan ( sometimes called James William) 1870, Robert 1871, Margaret Ann 1874 -1874, Sophia 1875 - 1877, Ellis 1878, Joseph 1880, and my grandmother Sarah Alice 1883 ( born after her father died) .
The parish register (Freereg.org.uk) of St James the Apostle in Wardle lists information about births, marriages and deaths of the Coupe family.
I have been searching for years for information of Mary’s birth but have not yet found accurate information. She is not consistent recording her age on census records.
I am an inexperienced researcher not familiar with how information is achieved.
Many thanks for your help.
Regards aber
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Lancashire Parish Records online has the baptism for Wardle but not the burials.
GRO Index is free to join has gives mother's maiden name
www.RootsIreland.ie has good information
Try following the 1861 census family their daughter Mary is the right age.
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“I have managed to find 8 children. John Thomas 1865, James Ivan ( sometimes called James William) 1870, Robert 1871, Margaret Ann 1874 -1874, Sophia 1875 - 1877, Ellis 1878, Joseph 1880, and my grandmother Sarah Alice 1883 ( born after her father died) .”
I think ‘James Ivan’ is a transcription on 1881 census, unless you have him with that name elsewhere. He is registered and baptised as James William in 1869.
Is he also missing in 1871?
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Are there any clues from John Thomas Walsh’s birth record - informsnt, Mary’s address etc.
Is the address just Whitworth as Mary's marriage?
Do you have a baptism for him?
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Thank you
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Hi Heywood
I don’t have christening or baptism records for John Thomas born 1865 but do have John Thomas Walsh or Welsh on the 1871 Census staying at Meadow Nook, Wardle with his dad, Thomas Coupe, Coalminer.
James William is also missing from 1871 census. Thanks I hadn’t noticed that .
Meadow Nook is abode for family births and deaths between 1871 and 1876 according to parish register of St James the Apostle, Wardle. Freereg.org.uk.
Mary’s address on marriage certificate is just “Whitworth” .
Thank you for your help.
Regards Aber
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James William (Ivan) Coupe is on the 1881 census age 11
He and his mother Mary must have been visiting somewhere the night of the 1871 census and have been omitted or mis transcribed.
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Thank you.
I have also found James William married with wife and family in the 1911 census.
Must have been missed on the 1871 census.
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"Married Thomas Coupe in 1867 at St Bartholomew's, Whitworth, Lancaster. "
Can you list all the information on the marriage certificate....witnesses, addresses, occupations...does everyone sign their name or use their mark?
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1867 marriage solemnised at St Bartholomew’s church in the parish of Whitworth in the county of Lancaster.
No. 372
When married December 7 1867.
Name and surname : Age: Condition: Rank or profession: Residence: Father Name: Fathers profession
Thomas Coupe : 28 : Bachelor : Collier : Hades : James Coupe: Collier
Mary Walsh: 22: Spinster. : - : Whitworth: John Walsh: Labourer
Solemnized by
Thomas Coupe ( his mark). In the presence of Mary Ann Crompton. ( her signature)
Mary Coupe (her mark). Samuel Taylor ( his mark)
Sorry I missed out the bit about Barms by J. Gaitskell.
Thank you for your interest. I hope this gives you the information you need.