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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Somerset => Topic started by: philsearch on Sunday 08 September 24 18:52 BST (UK)
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Hi all , I have going back some time a Sir Thomas Petty b 1475 d 1547, both events in Yeovil. His father was removed on familysearch with no proof of who he was. Is that it or could there be records yet to be uncovered? Phil.
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Assuming you are researching your own family history, how have you got back to this man? Have you done your own research using primary sources (e.g. images of original parish registers, wills, land documents, marriage settlements etc)? Have you got this evidence for his children?
I would urge extreme caution when relying on user-created online family trees such as on familysearch, as they are often completely inaccurate.
Queenie :)
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Hi Queenie, having put it like that I’m guilty of following which I assumed was correct via family search. My direct family who I have followed from known to assumed was the Morse family In Wiltshire. My Morses were born in Newport Mon and going back they were from Lydiard Millicent.
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Very easily done, Phil. I don't think there is a family historian out there that has not at some point fallen victim to a very inaccurate user-generated tree. I think it is always better to do your own research by using primary sources (preferably images of genealogical documents) and working slowly back through the generations. In doing so, you can prevent disappointment down the line when you realise that the tree you had been following had glaring errors such as women having children aged 75 and men dying before they were born (I am not joking; I have actually seen these!).
FamilySearch is still a good free resource for finding transcripts of genealogical documents, as is FreeREG.
How far back have you got on this line using primary sources, discounting public family trees? Perhaps you could post your "brick wall" here when you hit a dead end?
Queneie :)
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Jacob Morse 1802, Lydiard Millicent via censuses without family trees Queenie. The other Morses look to be family trees.
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You can use the search function:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/
To find transcriptions of entries in the parish registers. A quick search for a "Jacob Morse" born +/-5 years of 1802 in Lydiard Millicent provided this result:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6DST-316G
Then you can search for the marriage of his parents, then their baptisms and so on.
I had a look at the FamilySearch family tree for Jacob and everything seems plausible enough until this ancestor, William Morse:
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LD3Z-Z45
They claim his wife Sarah was formerly Minifie, and that she and William married in 1732. However, the only marriage I can find between a William Morse and a Sarah Minifie (very unusual surname) took place in 1783.
Since there is no obvious baptism for a William Morse in Lydiard Millicent in the right timeframe, someone has selected the baptism of a "William Morris" on 21st May 1710 in the parish of Wylye, over 40 miles away. Tracing back from there, the profiles become increasingly confused and nonsensical.
Queenie :)
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Thank you Queenie, you will have to excuse my lack of organisation as far as my family search goes. I have scraps of paper going back 20 years or so. Some research was started on rootschat regarding the Morses. Some on Ancestry which I no longer have and more up to date on MyHeritage which I still have. Just so you get the picture. So looking back through stuff this morning I found a picture of Jacob Morses grave stone dated 1863 aged 62 and a will of a William Morse dated 1735. The will was made in Lydiard Millicent and stated although he was of sound mind he said he was weak. How long he lived after the will I dont know but it mentions sons John, Thomas and William. Also daughters Mary and Elizabeth. The strange thing that you found was a marriage between a William Morse and a Sarah Minifie even if the date is miles out. Does it say where the marriage took place ? Phil.
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Looking at marriages on the Wiltshire opc site there are a number of Morse, including the 1795 James Morse and Sarah Reeves. But as for his parents a Thomas Morse married 1757 Mary Newth and not Amy Aldom as shown in the tree on Familysearch. She married ( entered as Eamy) a Thomas Moss 1764. So I would check those. May simply be a spelling/transcription error.
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Hi, I have just been looking on wiki tree and there are misspellings particularly Moss. It’s a minefield so I’m writing it all out again. I see you have Pitman in Dorset as one of yours. I went to school with a Derek Pitman who now lives in Sydney. He would be 68 or 69 now, Phil.
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Hi, yes there seem to be both Morse and Moss families to get muddled!
Worth looking at the Opc page though, years of marriage transcriptions for the village.
The Pitman family is my partners/sons side of the family, from Sherborne in Dorset. They eventually connect by marriage to the Wiltshire side of his family.
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Looking at marriages on the Wiltshire opc site there are a number of Morse, including the 1795 James Morse and Sarah Reeves. But as for his parents a Thomas Morse married 1757 Mary Newth and not Amy Aldom as shown in the tree on Familysearch. She married ( entered as Eamy) a Thomas Moss 1764. So I would check those. May simply be a spelling/transcription error.
I didn't see any issues with these.
The Thomas Morse who married Mary Newth in 1757 is noted as being a yeoman from Rodbourne Cheney and, a year later, children of a Thomas Morse and wife Mary start to be baptised in this parish.
There is the issue of Thomas spelling his name "Moss" as opposed to "Morse" on his marriage record to Amy (who signed by mark, which would explain the strange spelling of her name), but even looking at his son James' baptism on 20th October 1771, the surname looks more like "Moss" to me, as there isn't a defined line for the "r". However, the first baptisms of children to a Thomas Morse and wife Amy take place a few months later in 1765 in Purton, Wiltshire (they are noted as being from the parish of Lydiard Millicent), which would line up with the 1764 marriage. On the balance of probabilities, and bearing in mind that Amy is one of the more uncommon forenames, I do believe that this marriage is the correct one, but please do let me know if you can find any other conflicting evidence.
Queenie :)