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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Mummybear1 on Sunday 08 September 24 06:53 BST (UK)
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After doing my DNA I found few family members but
After doing research on Mary Lola McKay she was marry to John Cameron had three kids and then she was spoke to remarried to Arthur smart had few kids but I have no match on DNA
Now i got married certificate for John and Mary on marriage certificates show her name Lola her father was Frederick Hugh McKay OCT 1834
But I have DNA to cousin who say
Lola (Laura) McKay Was one who had married John had kids can some help get me in right search
Mary Lola McKay she 100% pass away 1956
No luck in finding her birth certificate as I haven’t found any of McKay birth certificate maybe they don't have one
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A Frederick Hugh Mackay was born in Launceston Tas 5tb May 1835. His parents were Hugh Rose Mackay and Martha Kinnleside Kirton. He died in Kew Victoria in 1883 reg 2057. His death registration names his parents again as Martha Kerton and Hugh Rose Mackay. His wife is Annie Hislop and he was 46 years old.
Death notice in the Launceston Examiner 13th March 1883: On 1st March at Kew, Victoria, husband of Annie aged 46.
Frederick Hugh Mackay was 1 of at least 6 children all born Tasmania. He had a sister Laura Eliza as well, born 17th April 1839 in Launceston,Tasmania
His father Hugh and brother Stewart appear to have been successful businessmen, and the whole family, kids and all, travelled extensively.
The father Hugh Rose Mackay died in Victoria 1890, in his 80's.
Need to follow up what children Frederick Hugh Mackay and Annie Hislop had, but I'm thinking the person who married John Cameron could be their daughter
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Frederick Hugh McKay who married Anna Hislop in Victoria in 1860, appears to have had only 1 daughter who died at just 21 days old in 1864.
Was a witness named on the marriage certificate? This Frederick died 1883, so not him.
What other details were on this certificate? Everything is important no matter how trifle ot seems!
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According to NAA records and enlistment papers 1916 of Archibald Cameron, son of John Cameron, his mother had died of sickness but no death date given. Of course this could be just an excuse to cover up she had left them!
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I thought Frederick McKay was born in 04 Oct 1834 • Launceston, Tasmania, Australia his father was died in 1859 • Victoria
Frederick Marriage to Mary Jane Robert had 9 children
His parent Thomas Gilham born ABT. 1802 • England Mary Thomas Hill McCoy was Passenger on Duke of Portland 1807
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Yes the Frederick McKay you are interested in was born 1834 to John McCoy and Mary Thomas. There is also Frederick Hugh Mckay who was born Launceston in 1835 to Hugh Rose McKay and Martha.
I mentioned the one born 1835 because I thought he might be the father mentioned on the wedding certificate of Lola McKay to John Cameron.
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In the second marriage of Lola to Arthur SMART, there were children.
The second was Florence
Here are the details from her Birth Certificate.
Name Florence SMART.
Born at Manly. July 1902.
Father Athur SMART.
Labourer. Aged 30.
Born at Yass NSW.
When married 27 Sept 1895. At Forbes NSW.
Previous issue of the marriage,
Elizabeth I. now aged 2, Living.
None dead.
Mother Mary Lola. Maiden name McKAY aged 39 years .
Born at Forbes.
Witness to birth Margaret Nicholls
Reg Aug 30 1902
Sue
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I have all the details of Lola McKay and Arthur Smart's children. Can we confirm in any way this was her second marriage?
Supposedly her first marriage was to John Cameron. I am yet to see this marriage certificate. However the Army Service records of one of their sons Archibald Cameron in 1916, states his mother had died. No date mentioned and no death record found to support this statement.
So I am questioning whether there are two Lola McKays - one with a father named Frederick Hugh McKay, the other with a father named Frederick William McKay!
Denise.
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Thankyou Sue for Florence Smarts birth certificate details.
Does anyone have the details that would be on John Cameron/ Lola Smart marriage Certificate? Surely that would confirm where she is from and who her father was.
Denise.
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Some inconsistencies appearing.
The AIF soldier, killed in action 1917 is registered as born 1897 which agrees with the enlistment details.
However the given name is not Archie or Archibald.
CAMERON FRANK E.
Parents John and Lola
At Parkes
15322/
His birthdate is after the "alleged marriage date" of Arthur SMART with Mary Lola which is shown on Florences CAMERON's BC. 1895.
Florence clearly claims Archie as her brother in the NAA file.
???
Sue
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Now i got married certificate for John and Mary on marriage certificates show her name Lola her father was Frederick Hugh McKay
Frederick Hugh McKAY - that is not what you say here....
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I got her marriage certificate to John hoping to find her birth certificate
it shows on Marriage to john was Lola Mckay show she was RESIDENCE THE OAKS, NEAR FORBES
22 DEC 1888. PLACE OF MARRIAGE THE MANSE, FORBES
WITNESSES FREDCK McKay, NORA NEWTON
THE CONSENT OF FREDERICK McKay, FATHER OF THE BRIDE, WAS GIVEN TO THE MARRIAGE OF LOLA McKay WITH JOHN CAMERON, THE SAID LOLA McKay BEING UNDER THE AGE OF 21 YEARS
Debra :)
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I hope I am not going to confuse everyone.
Firstly re NAA Record of Archibald Cameron. His Service No is 2388. Place of Birth: Bogan Gate NSW. He enlisted 4th May 1916. Father John Cameron is NOK at Kaludah. His contact details were later changed to W j Morris Rae St Forbes. ( That surname name rings a bell to but I'm not at home to check).
Re Marriage Certificate of Lola McKay and John Cameron in 1888. If Lola was underage she was born 1867 or later. This birth date conflicts with the age of Lola McKay who was married to Arthur Smart, given her age recorded on her children's birth certificates, although varying, are
as follows: She is 29 on birth certificate of Elizabeth Smart, born 1900. She is 33 on Reginald Smarts birth certificate in 1908. This makes her birth year between 1871-1875.
Denise.
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Just found who w j morris is whose address is on NAA records of Archibald Cameron..... Florence Cameron married William J Morris at Forbes NSW Reg 8415/1910.
Denise
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Yes. That's right the letter inquiring about her brother is from Florence MORRIS.
Mary Lola was the informant for the birth of Florence and stated her age as 39 in 1900.
Was she also informant for the other children?
Sue
ADDING Actually, it could be badly written 2 meaning 29.
Makes more sense I think.
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I don't have the birth certificates of any of the Smart children but the ones I refer to are on Findagrave. And yes they can be difficult to decipher!
Govt Gazette in NSW list Sheep brand marks and transfers: In 1891 there is a Lola McKay at The Oaks Forbes, who is the transferror and the receiver is Albert McKay.
In 1889 she is also listed as a sheep owner by the same name and address,
But Lola McKay married John Cameron as a minor in Dec 1888. So now I am thinking there may well be 2 Lola McKays.
Have to go now, but will continue this tomorrow.
Denise.
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Re Marriage Certificate of Lola McKay and John Cameron in 1888. If Lola was underage she was born 1867 or later. This birth date conflicts with the age of Lola McKay who was married to Arthur Smart, given her age recorded on her children's birth certificates, although varying, are
as follows: She is 29 on birth certificate of Elizabeth Smart, born 1900. She is 33 on Reginald Smarts birth certificate in 1908. This makes her birth year between 1871-1875.
Denise.
No it doesn't. She was aged under 21 in 1888 so could have been born 1871 (She is 29 on birth certificate of Elizabeth Smart, born 1900). Aging just 4 years in 8 years when Reginald was born is a bit of a stretch though, she was probably just putting her age down as she got older.
Govt Gazette in NSW list Sheep brand marks and transfers: In 1891 there is a Lola McKay at The Oaks Forbes, who is the transferror and the receiver is Albert McKay.
In 1889 she is also listed as a sheep owner by the same name and address,
But Lola McKay married John Cameron as a minor in Dec 1888. So now I am thinking there may well be 2 Lola McKays.
Denise.
These records would have been documented before her marriage and would stay in the same name.
Debra :)
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Florence Smart death certificate i just got
death certificate show Florence was 38 when she dies
Also, it shows she 19 when she marry Harold also
I believe she wasn't born in Forbes she may have been born Victoria Ballarat
I do know Thomas and William was young when mother dies
I think her name was Lola McKay not Mary Lola McKay
So hard without Lola Mckay birth page i also got Lola McKay and john married certificate she under age 21
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Florence Smart death certificate i just got death certificate show Florence was 38 when she dies
Also, it shows she 19 when she marry Harold also
You know these ages are wrong because she was born in 1902 and married in 1923.
I believe she wasn't born in Forbes she may have been born Victoria Ballarat
Who said she was born in Forbes or Ballarat?
23493/1902
SMART, FLORENCE
Father: ARTHUR
Mother: MARY L
Birth registered at MANLY
....or are you talking about Lola?
Debra :)
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sorry Deb yes Lola
i just got on nsw birth i just found Frank E Cameron is john Lola Kids 15322/1897
john Cameron 13039 1981
is john Laura
Florence Cameron 12739/1890 is john Lola M
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sorry Deb yes Lola
i just got on nsw birth i just found Frank E Cameron is john Lola Kids 15322/1897
john Cameron 13039 1981
is john Laura
Florence Cameron 12739/1890 is john Lola M
Please see reply #9.
John and Lola were stated as parents off Frank E CAMERON. 1897
As things look right now, the man may have used the name Archie or Archibald CAMERON.
Under this name he enlisted ww1.
Father John NOK..
Sister Florence
Birthdate 1897
There is not a registration for Archibald Cameron round that time.
Sue
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The name Mary Lola McKay also appears on birth Certificate of her son Reginald and is signed Lola Smart.