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Title: Residence on 1820 baptism record at Lletroed Chapel
Post by: dtlroots on Friday 23 August 24 14:38 BST (UK)
I am looking at a baptism record for a direct ancestor, Elizabeth Williams.
The baptism is on 17th December 1820 at Lletroed Chapel, Anglesey. The entry on Wales, Select Births and Baptisms (1541 - 1907) gives the baptism place as 'Nebo Calvinistic Methodist, Llanwenllwyfo, Anglesey, Wales'. The record on England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers (1567 - 1970) shows it as 'Baptism Place Llelbroed Chapel, Anglesey, Wales
Denomination Calvinistic Methodist.
The accompanying image shows that it is actually Lletroed Chapel.
All of this is great, and very helpful to me.
The bit I am asking for help with is the parents' residence as recorded on the image.
It looks to me to say 'Wayn'.
I can't find any location of that or a similar name in the area: I suppose it could just be the name of a house.
Does the name mean anything to anyone with knowledge of the area?
Title: Re: Residence on 1820 baptism record at Lletroed Chapel
Post by: BumbleB on Friday 23 August 24 15:04 BST (UK)
Is this of any help to you?

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/AGY/Llanwenllwyfo
Title: Re: Residence on 1820 baptism record at Lletroed Chapel
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Friday 23 August 24 16:44 BST (UK)
From index birthplace is given as Llaneilian, Anglesey.

From baptism image this is the area they are living

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/AGY/Llandyfrydog

You could try look for place on old maps, but as said maybe a house name

Edit - see reply below

Cas
Title: Re: Residence on 1820 baptism record at Lletroed Chapel
Post by: dtlroots on Friday 23 August 24 16:54 BST (UK)
Thanks for your reply BumbleB.

Sadly the map did not help in working out the residence.
However, I think I have stumbled on a better clue.

There is another baptism record in 1823 at the same chapel which seems to be clearly for a sibling of my direct ancestor, and on that image the residence is shown as 'Tyn y Waun'.

Searching for that name at least returns some hits, and seems more likely to be correct than the name in the earlier baptism, but I have still not found my ancestors place of residence.




Title: Re: Residence on 1820 baptism record at Lletroed Chapel
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Friday 23 August 24 16:55 BST (UK)
Correction - heading says that is the fathers parish - did not read fully.
Title: Re: Residence on 1820 baptism record at Lletroed Chapel
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Friday 23 August 24 21:56 BST (UK)
<It looks to me to say 'Wayn'.>

My immediate reaction is Anglicised version of Waun
Title: Re: Residence on 1820 baptism record at Lletroed Chapel
Post by: Sam Swift on Friday 23 August 24 23:53 BST (UK)
Could it be Waen (phoenetic version or Waun)

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17.0&lat=53.40659&lon=-4.35170&layers=257&b=1&o=100&marker=53.406619,-4.352314
Title: Re: Residence on 1820 baptism record at Lletroed Chapel
Post by: DCB on Saturday 24 August 24 09:52 BST (UK)
Have you found Ty'n-y-Maen on this map?

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17.6&lat=53.39743&lon=-4.30402&layers=257&b=1&o=100&marker=53.406619,-4.352314

David

Oops, sorry - I got Maen and Waen mixed up.
Title: Re: Residence on 1820 baptism record at Lletroed Chapel
Post by: dtlroots on Saturday 24 August 24 14:13 BST (UK)
Thanks to you all for your suggestions.

I think that the residence 'Tyn Y Waun' on the 1823 baptism is probably the correct one, and that the entry 'Wayn' on the 1820 baptism is probably an attempt at specifying the same place.
I can't find a likely hamlet/village of that name in the area so I think it is most likely a house name.

Thanks again for all the replies.
Title: Re: Residence on 1820 baptism record at Lletroed Chapel
Post by: Sam Swift on Saturday 24 August 24 15:10 BST (UK)
The 1851 census where one son is still living, is Tynyweun Farm. It's next to another family at same address, but there's insufficient info to be able to locate it from this, since the 2 household lie between a few pages listed as Pensarn and a few pages listed as Nebo (no specific properties or streets named).

However, I found it on the 1851 census and it's listed before and after several properties that might allow it to be pinpointed.
Title: Re: Residence on 1820 baptism record at Lletroed Chapel
Post by: DCB on Saturday 24 August 24 16:28 BST (UK)
There is a Lon Tyddyn Waen in Pensarn and one of the cottages is 2 Tyddyn Waen.

David
Title: Re: Residence on 1820 baptism record at Lletroed Chapel
Post by: Sam Swift on Saturday 24 August 24 16:45 BST (UK)
So in 1841 in the properties before it, we  have :
Piece   1362 Book   8 Folio 23 Page 8
Wain (a Parry family)
Tynygamda
Penybonc
Penterfyn

Over page then:
Rhosnewyd
Tanrhald
Weun
Tynycraigia
Tynyceua
Caelan
Glanrafon
Castell Brungwyn

I tried marking all these points on the map but they don'r show on the link.
Anyway, the immediate properies preceeding Weun where the 2 sons and widowed mother are living (rather than the wain), places that property at the spot I marked on the link I sent in my first reply.

Here it is again  https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16.8&lat=53.38467&lon=-4.32106&layers=257&b=1&o=100&marker=53.384054,-4.322067

I'll try and upload an image saved o the marked points.
Title: Re: Residence on 1820 baptism record at Lletroed Chapel
Post by: Sam Swift on Saturday 24 August 24 16:50 BST (UK)
Map hopefully uploading
Title: Re: Residence on 1820 baptism record at Lletroed Chapel
Post by: Sam Swift on Saturday 24 August 24 16:53 BST (UK)
map not uploading
Title: Re: Residence on 1820 baptism record at Lletroed Chapel
Post by: Sam Swift on Saturday 24 August 24 17:13 BST (UK)
As it appears on the Tithe map aportionment schedule (198)
https://places.library.wales/viewer/4558980#?cv=9&h=196&xywh=2046%2C2404%2C1058%2C637

198 on map - occupier Richard Williams Tithes Llaneilian 1849 https://places.library.wales/viewer/4576709#?cv=&h=198&xywh=3299%2C7840%2C922%2C480