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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: Malshie on Thursday 22 August 24 15:17 BST (UK)
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I have been given a Plot Number for relatives buried in Holy Cross Cemetery Wallsend.
The Grave is in the Roman Catholic Section. Numbered 2744.
I have looked on a map of the Cemetery but the number doesn’t make sense to me.
Anyone able to help please?
Thank you
Margaret
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Hello Margaret :)
Is this the plan you've seen? https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2228865/holy-cross-cemetery#view-photo=161156101
The plot number you've been given will be somewhere within the Roman Catholic Sections which are numbered 26, 27, 28, 33, 34 and 35 on the plan.
The Cemetery is managed by North Tyneside Council. I imagine that they will have more detailed plans which would show exactly where each burial plot is situated within those larger sections.
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Hello Jen, thank you so much for your reply. Yes that is the Plan I looked at.
Didn’t really make sense to me the plot number I was given.
But, maybe I shall get in touch with North Tyneside Council to see if they help in locating the grave of my gr uncles.
I know there is no engraved headstone for John and Charles O’Neill.
But, there is a third person buried in the plot with the name of Anthony Gannity buried 1971. So I may be lucky if he does have a Headstone. Fingers crossed.
Best wishes
Margaret
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I have been given a Plot Number for relatives buried in Holy Cross Cemetery Wallsend.
The Grave is in the Roman Catholic Section. Numbered 2744.
I have looked on a map of the Cemetery but the number doesn’t make sense to me.
Anyone able to help please?
Thank you
Margaret
Are you looking for the grave location so that you can visit it... or do you hope to find out what is recorded about your relatives in the Burial Register?
If the latter, I'd be happy to check the Holy Cross Burial Register for you when I next visit the Local Studies Centre in North Shields (some time in the next week), as they have a copy of it there.
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Didn’t really make sense to me the plot number I was given.
What is it about the plot number that doesn't make sense?
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Hi Jen,
I couldn’t connect the no. 2744 which I was given for the plot without the section letter or number. So it was difficult to locate where on earth it was.
Does that make sense.
Margaret
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Hello Sandra, yes I would like to be able to visit their grave location.
I was in Wallsend last week visiting my sister and we walked around the cemetery. Paying our respects to many family relatives. But couldn’t locate my gr uncles grave.
Thank you for replying
Margaret
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If Sandra can look at the register that should also contain the appropriate section number.
But without some guidance as to the number system within each section it's going to be very difficult for you.
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Thank you Jen, that makes sense what you have said.
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Hello Sandra
That would be a great help to me if you wouldn’t mind checking out the register.
Whenever you are able.
Charles O’Neill died March 1952 aged 68 years
John O’Neill died June 1954 aged 72
Address at time of death 30 Bede Crescent, Wallsend.
Plot no. 2744 RC Section
Best wishes
Margaret
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Hello Sandra
That would be a great help to me if you wouldn’t mind checking out the register.
Whenever you are able.
Charles O’Neill died March 1952 aged 68 years
John O’Neill died June 1954 aged 72
Address at time of death 30 Bede Crescent, Wallsend.
Plot no. 2744 RC Section
Best wishes
Margaret
No problem. It will definitely be some time in the next week.
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The burial index books for Holy Cross also include a column which records if the deceased is in a purchased plot. If they are, there may be a memorial grave stone.
I can't remember if these books also record the exact section - I think they do but I am not completely certain. But the burial entry on microfilm definitely will.
If the site is unmarked I think if you ask the burial office they will mark this temporarily on request.
They may do this for free. It is worth asking.
If you find that you can't make it next week, Sandra. I will look this up for Malshie when I can next go to the local studies.
Also just to mention for possible future research in the area - Church Bank Cemetery burial index books also record if a deceased person's grave was purchased. I only noticed this recently.
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The burial index books for Holy Cross also include a column which records if the deceased was in a purchased plot. If they are, there may be a memorial grave stone.
I can't remember if these books also record the exact section - I think they do but I am not completely certain. But the burial entry on microfilm will.
If the site is unmarked I think if you ask the burial office they will mark this temporarily on request.
They may do this for free. It is worth asking.
If you find that you can't make it next week, Sandra. I will look this up for Malshie when I can next go to the local studies.
Also just to mention for possible future research in the area - Church Bank Cemetery burial index books also record if a deceased person's grave was purchased. I only noticed this recently.
Many thanks - I'll let you know if I can't get there, but it should be OK.
I have a feeling that the section numbers aren't recorded in the Holy Cross indexes. I have a list of plot numbers for my own family's burials taken from the indexes, which I now need to look up in the register, and I haven't written down any section numbers - presumably because they weren't given, unless I missed them, of course!
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I know for Preston Cemetery only the plot number (but not the sections) were not recorded up until around the mid 1940s. I can't remember if it is the same for Holy Cross.
You may be right about Holy Cross but at least the sections will be recorded on the burial entries on microfilm.
If you can't go for whatever reason, I will be the back up. ;)
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Thank you Sandra and River Tyne Lass.
Much appreciated
Margaret
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Hello Margaret
The grave in question, for Charles and John, is number 44, in section 27, Roman Catholic.
The burial register entries are as follows:
Charles O'Neil (spelled with one L here)
Age 67 years.
Died at Simpson's Hotel, Wallsend.
Buried on 25 February 1952.
Burial register entry number: 6223.
John O'Neill
Age 74.
Died at 30 Bede Crescent, Wallsend.
Buried on 12 May 1954.
Burial register entry number: 6965.
I didn't see any indication of a purchased plot.
With best wishes.
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Also... a link to Simpson's Hotel. I'd heard of it but didn't know where it was.
Presumably this was Charles's place of death...
https://twsitelines.info/SMR/17491
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That's great that you have obtained the burial info for Margaret. It was good to meet you Sandra today and chat at the local studies. Hopefully, might see you again there soon. :)
By the way, Margaret although not connected with this thread I believe you are also interested in a burial for a Catherine O'Neill at Church Bank Cemetery. This is the burial entry:
Church Bank
Entry 20132
Catherine (This name is crossed over and replaced with 'Charlotte') O'Neill
Widow of Charles
Age 72
Garlands, Carlisle
Burial 10 March 1923
Section I Plot 11
Roman Catholic
Ceremony by George Wheatley
It seems from the photo request she is buried in an unmarked grave but that the grave was purchased in 1975.
I have checked the entries and it appears that in 1975 this person was buried in the same plot as Catherine/Charlotte:
Mary Ann McDonald
Age 86
Burial April 1975
(Ink smudge over the specific date but looking at others entries the date appears sometime before the next entry on 17th April 1975)
Age 76
Section I Plot 11
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Morning Sandra, thank you so much for looking up plot details for gr uncles Charles and John.
That is such a great help to me and very much appreciated.
I am actually back in Wallsend staying with my sister on Saturday for a very quick visit. So I know where we will be going to on Sunday.
Sad to find out John was in Simpsons Hotel. Very sad that so many of my family have no headstones. Pretty upsetting.
Have a good day
Best wishes
Margaret x
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Hello River Tyne Lass, I know we have spoken previously re: Conroy family.
That’s kind of you to forward Catherine’s grave information. Catherine was my Gr Grandmother on my mums side. It’s sad that Catherine wasn’t buried with her husband Charles. But, I believe he is close by.
The annoying thing is I know for definate her name was Catherine. But her hospital record from Garlands they have her named as Charlotte. Her death record has also been recorded as Charlotte. That is why it Took me a very long time to trace her.
The grave must of been unpurchased so later on Mary McDonald was buried there. (No relation I believe)
Not easy genealogy is it.
Thanks again
Best wishes
Margaret