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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: hamali on Wednesday 14 August 24 08:25 BST (UK)
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Hi There,
OK, here goes, I'm trying to trace my grans gran. I have a tree underway on Ancestry, and have found my grans mum, ALICE MARY ISAACS, born 14/1/1886 in Canning Town, London. He mother was MARY ISAACS, no father on the birth certificate. I can find Alice on the 1901 census as a servant at 15, but I can't find her on the 1891 census. Alice's baptism form names her as ALICE MARY WEBB ISAACS.
Ancestry keeps throwing a Joseph B Isaacs up as a possible father, but I think thats wrong, as on the census the birth info for the child is wrong.
Thanks for any help on finding her in 1891
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"ALICE MARY ISAACS, born 14/1/1886 in Canning Town, London"
Can you list all the information on this birth certificate please.
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...but I can't find her on the 1891 census. Alice's baptism form names her as ALICE MARY WEBB ISAACS.
According to her baptism, it seems she was a illegitmate daughter of Mary Isaacs. Lambeth, Surrey, England
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On the baptism image the father's name Charles is crossed out??
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Mother Mary may have married after 1886 and 1891 they are under her new married name.
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The birth registration also mentions Webb
ISAACS, ALICE MARY WEBB -
GRO Reference: 1886 March Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 133
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A surname was often thrown in to indicate birth father . Was there a Mr WEBB. In the vicinity who could be likely candidate?
Maybe Mary ISAACS took him to court to obtain maintenance you may be lucky enough to find a newspaper report or an affiliation order .
DNA could show if there are any WEBB connections
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The address on the baptism is 26 Rutland Street. Have you eliminated the Isaacs family living at no 28 in 1901 as being related somehow.
John 45. Sorry that should read Ivo see later posts
William H 13
Winifred 10
Jane 47 (Sister)
They were also there in 1891 with Johns wife Sarah A
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Mary Isaacs
Marriage Age 22
Birth Date abt 1866
Marriage or Bann Date 2 Apr 1888
Marriage or Bann Place Bishopstone, St John, Wiltshire
Father Henry Isaacs
Spouse Tom Musselwhite
Witness - Ivo & Elizabeth Isaacs
1891 Bishopstone, Wiltshire
Tom Musselwhite 28 Head
Mary Musselwhite 25 Wife
Alice M Musselwhite 5 Daughter - no birth reg for this Alice M in Wilton reg district
Winifred E Musselwhite 5 mths Daughter
Alfred E Brown 22 Boarder
Isaac/s parents/siblings can be found in area on census 1861/1871, not searched others.
Alice married in this area to Sidney H Lanham in 1916. Witness Percival Musslewhite (sibling). No father named at marriage, but going by baptism image it is likely a Charles Webb, as mentioned.
Cas
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I noticed on the baptism 1886 Mary's address was 26 Portland Street Lambeth and in 1891 this family (with more children than I list ) was living as 26 Portland Street Lambeth. Ivo had the same birthplace as Mary that Cas found
Ivo Isaacs Married Male 35 1856 Railway breaksman Bishopstone, Wiltshire, England
Sarah A Isaacs 31 Suffolk, England
Gertrude F Isaacs 7
Frederick G Isaacs
Sorry - been out and just realised that Rosie found this ::)
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1871 Bishopstone
Henry Isaac 42 Head
Ann Isaac 46 Wife
Ivo Isaac 15 Son
Charlotte Isaac 12 Daughter
William Isaac 10 Son
Elizabeth Isaac 8 Daughter
Mary Isaac 5 Daughter
1861 Bishopstone
Henry Isaac 36 Head
Ann Isaacc 39 Wife
Jane Isaac 8 Daughter
Iva Isaac 5 Son
Charlotte Isaac 3 Daughter
William Isaac 6mths Son
Fred Scott 21 Lodger
Cas
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Looks a good possible for parents marriage
Name Henry Isaacs
Marriage Age Full Age
Marriage or Bann Date 4 Jan 1853
Marriage or Bann Place Bishopstone, St John, Wiltshire
Father William Isaacs
Spouse Winifred Ann Scott - father John Scott
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So his name was Ivo, I was reading it as Jno ::)
Glad it helped find Mary and Alice
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Excellent work :)
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thank you everybody for your help ;)