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I've always shown Jethro Coomber as my paternal g/grandfather despite knowing that my grandmother's birth certificate showing her as Edith Mary Cocks( her mother's maiden name) with the father as Charles Cocks and mother as " Elizabeth Anne Cocks formerly Coomber". Yesterday I decided to change Edith's father. This immediately wiped out the whole Jethro Coomber line. Jethro was married and had three older children with Elizabeth and Edith interchanged both surnames registering all three of her illegitimate children Coomber. I know I probably have no blood relationship with him but he did play a significant part in the family so I'll have to rebuild him.
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If you only changed her father and did not delete him, he should still be there as a floater.
Try find in tree. He should still be in list of all people.
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Was he the Jethro Coomber born 1858 in Sussex, St Wilfred's, son of William and Mary Coomber, who wed Elizabeth Ann Cocks in 1882 in Devon? I se Edith was born 1890 in Stoke Damerel in Devon.
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As advised the branch is still there, it is just unattached or as stated, a floater.
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Hi Coombs. Yes he is.
Hi Comberton. I did search the tree for his name but it had disappeared, showing only his nephew of the same name.
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I don't think there is anyway to wipe out a whole line in a tree? In the person's profile, you can go to Edit, Edit Relationships, then add father, search for existing person in tree.
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You mentioned three older children with Elizabeth, are they still there?
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Yes they are and I've started to resurrect Jethro and the information I've added is all that's there. I have another tree, which is just linear so I can follow his ancestors but not his siblings. I can rebuild it but I don't understand how I managed to lose everything by changing the father of one child
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On reflection I have no idea why I bothered to change the father because I'm sure the birth certificate is fictitious as the only Charles Cock I've found is her brother.
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I found Edith M Cocks aged 4 months on the 1891 census in Stoke Damerel living with James Cocks, aged 50 born Camelford, Cornwall. An Annie Coomber is listed as daughter of James Cocks, Annie is 27. Born Camelford. Then we have Jethro Coomber aged 32 born Sussex, married, a Royal Navy Seaman. However listed inbetween Annie Coomber and Jethro Coomber is a James W Cocks, aged 12, listed as grandson.
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1881 census - 58, James Street, Devonport
Jethro [Comber] is lodging with the Cocks family. No sign of any children except for James H Cocks (age 2) who is listed as the son of James & Jane Cocks. James H Cocks is always recorded as their son on future census records. (Not to be confused with James W Coomber, the grandson).
Did Jethro and Annie ever marry? I note he's living elsewhere in the 1901 census.
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I have a fairly complete history of the Cocks family thank you. In answer to your question Coombs Jethro married Elizabeth Ann Cocks in Stoke Dameral in Oct q 1882. By 1901 he was lodging in his hometown and died on 27/10/1918 in Cuckfield Work House.
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...with the father as Charles Cocks and mother as " Elizabeth Anne Cocks formerly Coomber".
What is the occupation of the father (Charles Cocks) on Edith's birth cert?
It's confusing that the mother named another man as Edith's father, whilst husband Jethro is still residing with the Cocks family in 1891. ??? Did the mother have an affair?
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I'm afraid I can't tell you whether she had an affair and, presumably, no one else can. Charles was a dockyard labourer and Jethro was a matelot. It would be quite a coincidence if she had an affair with someone with the same surname. She did marry Joseph Edward Russell in 1900 when Jethro was still alive and a divorce would be unlikely with the working class in those days.
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I would say Jethro must have been away at sea a lot so Elizabeth Anne must have had an affair when Jethro was away, and Jethro knew hence why she is not described as his daughter on the 1891 census but as Edith M Cocks. Only DNA testing will/could tell who was the blood father out of Charles Cocks or Jethro Coomber. I doubt Jethro was the blood father though as the records seem to go against this.
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I must thank everyone for researching the Cocks family but I've been doing it for fifteen years and really have most of the facts except who my grandfather was.
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I'm sorry Coombs but I don't see what records put Jethro as Edith's father. Her birth certificate names Charles Cock. Edith did call herself Coomber and by 1901she was living with her grandmother and brother William, but I suspect this was for appearances.
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I've always shown Jethro Coomber as my paternal g/grandfather despite knowing that my grandmother's birth certificate showing her as Edith Mary Cocks( her mother's maiden name) with the father as Charles Cocks and mother as " Elizabeth Anne Cocks formerly Coomber".
Do you mean it says Edith Mary Cocks in section 2 of the birth certificate or does it just say Edith Mary
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The certificate reads "Edith Mary", father "Charles Cocks", mother Elizabeth Anne Cocks formerly Coomber". As that is the only reference to Coomber I have to assume her surname would be Cocks. Edith interchanged the name, but used Coomber when registering the birth of her three illegitimate children and when registering her marriage in 1920. The marriage to Jethro was obviously over for a mother to be prepared to perjure herself when registering a birth.
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If you have wiped the whole branch out, then complain to Ancestry support and suggest that there needs to be a check to ensure that was what you really intended?
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Thanks Chempat, but the deed has been done. Fortunately I'm retired and will have plenty of time to rebuild it when the weather turns. Coomber is a sufficiently unusual name to be easy to do.
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The weather has turned here - it is raining. A little annoying, though does save on some manual watering.
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Many of the trees on Ancestry are wrongly copied and borrowed, hopefully someone copied yours! I hope you can find some way to retrieve your work.
rayard.
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Thank you Rayard. I'll have a mooch around.
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I may ask my question here. Had a look around and really couldnt find anywhere that fit and it was either piggyback off this or start a new thread
I have gone back and started looking and adding to my American tree from a branch that left Gloucestershire and ended up in Utah/Nevada and Arizona
It is becoming a bigger tree and I had a thought to separate it to a stand alone tree
I still want to keep it attached but - here is the main question - can I just transfer the sections that I want or am I up for a re-write of every individual
ie copy/paste v building the branch bit by bit
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Following on from my problem, I've redone my Jethro Coomber line, but having decided I'm the ultimate mongrel and added this Charles Cocks into my tree, Ancestry decided to point me towards a Charles Harrison Cocks also living in Devonport at the same time with a wife called Elizabeth Anne Cocks. He had been married to this lady for ten years prior to the birth of Edith Mary, so is unlikely to be the father, unless he had a penchant for ladies with those names, He was still married to his wife in 1911 with a daughter called Hilda E Cocks of approximately the same age as Edith. These coincidences really are a distraction.