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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Davo59 on Monday 05 August 24 13:13 BST (UK)
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Hi
I am seeking further information on the abovenamed lady. I understand that Barnhill Poor House records are at the Mitchell Library in Glasgow and are quite detailed. We are unable to locate a birth record for Janet who was born Janet Hamilton abt 1811 in Hamilton Lanarkshire. Parents on death registration said to be Thomas Hamilton (occ Thatcher) and Johan Hamilton m/s McNab.
Janet married Alexander Cooper June 1836 and we have the Church marriage record for this marriage. The 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881 census consistently lists her place of birth as Hamilton Lanark abt 1809 / 1811. I was wondering if someone is going to the Mitchell Library and could do a look up for Janet Couper/Cooper. If possible looking to confirm year and date of birth and parents names. Unfortunately, I am in New Zealand. Any help or suggestions much appreciated thanks David
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Wondering if Johan is Ann McNab who married a Thomas Hamilton in Hamilton in 1805 two children showing in 1817 and 1822 there should be others I would think but none showing on SP.
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If they are correct parents then they are still alive in 1841 with daughter barbara.
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Thank you garnad. Thomas and Ann who married 1805 are a possibility which I will explore.
It may be that we will not find an actual baptism record for Janet in which case this becomes a brick wall which may be solved by the person I am helping taking a DNA test.
David
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1851 census 4 Cadzow St Hamilton
Thomas Hamilton, age 77, widower, former thatcher, born Hamilton
He is with the family of his son –
Thomas Hamilton, age 41, Thatcher, born Hamilton
His wife Mary (Marion) nee Ingles – they were married in 1831 in Hamilton
(It looks as if Thomas Hamilton junior moved to, and died in Wales.)
Another son
Angus Hamilton married Margaret Black in 1834 Hamilton
He died in 1890 in Hamilton. Mother named as Annie McNab
Have you looked at the death certificate for Thomas Hamilton age 87 who died in Hamilton in 1857?
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I understand that Barnhill Poor House records are at the Mitchell Library in Glasgow and are quite detailed.
I am under the impression that the existing Barnhill Poor House records start in 1890, which may be too late for your research.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/N13956875
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"Parents on death registration said to be Thomas Hamilton (occ Thatcher) and Johan Hamilton m/s McNab."
Can you please list all the information on this document.
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Thank you Neale1961 I have obtained the death registration for Thomas Hamilton aged 87 and a copy of the 1851 census.
wivenhoe details from Janet's death registration
Deaths in the District of Dennistoun County of Lanark
Janet Couper widow of Alexander Couper occ ? 1888 March Sixteenth ?.30am Barnhill Poor House near Glasgow usual residence. Female aged 77 years Father Thomas Hamilton (Thatcher) deceased Mother Johan Hamilton ms McNab deceased. Cause of death debility Medical Attendant ? William ? MD Informant Thomas Couper Son 214 Great ? Street Registered 1888 March 19th.
It appears that perhaps that some children of Thomas Hamilton & Johan/Ann/Annie McNab(b) may not have been baptised.
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It appears that perhaps that some children of Thomas Hamilton & Johan/Ann/Annie McNab(b) may not have been baptised.
It is possible that they were baptised, but their baptism was not recorded, or either the record is now lost. This is more common than you might think.
I think the correct parents for your Janet have probably been identified in the census and in the marriage noted above by garngad.
What useful information does Thomas's death certificate give?
It looks as if Janet's mother Ann McNab died between 1841 and 1851, so no death certificate for her, as it is before civil registration.
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I agree with Neale1961....lost records are common I'm afraid from the time period regards Barnhill being near Glasgow its not it is in Glasgow the registration district name changes during/after the Industrial revolution add to the confusion from Barony,Dennistoun,St Rollox,Garngad/Royston Springburn etc they are all close and overlap each other the two main factors being Glasgow Royal (still standing today) and Barnhill Poorhouse (footprint still there today though now a housing estate) Thomas Couper son may have lived in the Calton district again within a half mile of the two mentioned main institutes. Garngad ps I forgot to mention I have an aunty called Anna and after 50 plus years only found out she is actually named Johanna.
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Thank you garngad and neale1961. with the records you have pointed me in the direction of I think you are correct in that we have found Janet's parents and some other siblings as well. Her birth year of abt 1809/1811 in the census will be as good as we get without a baptism record.
The death record for Thomas will take as a further generation back on Janet's paternal line . Thomas's occupation is listed as Thatcher which ties back into Janet's death record and which also ties in with the 1841 census record.
Thomas's father is named as Thomas also, a farmer deceased and Elizabeth Hamilton ms Lawson deceased. Informant was also Thomas Hamilton his son. So 4 generations each with a Thomas Hamilton.
Thank you everyone for all your help
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There is marriage for that couple in Hamilton in 1776.
HAMILTON, THOMAS
to
ELIZABETH LAWSON /FR714
03/11/1776
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30 / 343
HAMILTON
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3 baptism records for children of Thomas Hamilton and Elizabeth Lawson, from the baptism book of 1st Relief Congregation Church, Lower Auchengramont Road, Hamilton. (Now Smellie's Auction Market).
The book contains baptisms from the founding of the church in 1776 until 1800.
JANET, born 22nd January 1785 and baptised by Rev. Mr Ramsey. (No date given).
WILLIAM, born 22nd April 1787 and baptised by Rev. Mr Herriot 29th April 1787.
BARBARA, born 24th June 1789 and baptised by Rev. Mr Carrick 28th June 1789.
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Thank you Neale 1961 and Lodger for this additional information.
Greatly appreciated