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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: Antony1977 on Saturday 03 August 24 13:16 BST (UK)
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Helllp, I just can’t find it
I am trying to locate the death , birth cert and marriage cert ref numbers so I can order copies of the certs relating to :
John William Coley
B:13 Oct 1931 Burghill, Asylum, Ledbury, Herefordshire, England
D: jan 1995 Worcester, Hereford and Worcester, England
John was apparently married to Florence ( Florrie) who was from Malta. We have no details whatsoever for her. All cards were signed “bill & florence coley”
A living relative has sent me a photo ( attached ) of who he remembers as “uncle bill and florrie” but he says it was taken on their 50th wedding anniversary to Florence.
I have sent the photo to my fiancés relatives and they confirm the photo is of “uncle bill and Florence”
But the living relative says it’s confusing as he’s sure uncle bill died at the age of 93 ish ( ancestry suggests 64)
On the photo, the living relative says that uncle bill should be 31 years older than the woman on the far left 😬 but certainly doesn’t look it . He wrote :
In the photo with Carol's mom, Uncle Bill looks a good bit older than her but is he 31 years older? He would have been about 93 when we went to their Golden Wedding party just after Barbara died. Possible I suppose.
For info his parents were
William Green
B:2 Jun 1898 Bosbury, Herefordshire, England
D:1965 Ledbury, Herefordshire, England
Annie Elizabeth coley ( known as Lily )
B:21 Aug 1896 Ledbury, Herefordshire, England
D:4 Sep 1936 Ludlow, Shropshire, England
Can anyone unpick this can of worms 😬
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Should his surname be Green?
Possible birth
William John Green
Dec 1931 Hereford
06A 637
mmn Coley
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I believe it should have been as his parents were married, but all his cards he signed said Coley.
Perhaps he had a falling out with his dad and took his mothers side of the family name ?
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I agree with the birth being:
William J Green 12/1931 Hereford Vol 6a p637 mother maiden name Coley
And the death is:
John William Green 1/1995 Worcester Reg B53E District 5271B Entry 167 (DOB 13 Oct 1931)
The marriage will be harder without some sort of date range and/or some indication of her surname
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Thank you , I’ve put the order in for the birth cert 👍🏻 it unhelpful that many of the relatives used variations of their actual name, or didn’t use their name at all
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And what’s really confusing is that the ancestor that’s messaging me says uncle bill and Florence were married for 50 years , which means they got married at 14! Yet they confirm the photo shows uncle bill and Florence
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Info only, William J Green the father was living next door to the Coley family in 1939, Ledbury.
SS
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I think that’s the entry saying “ widower” Lily died in 1936 in Burghill asylum 😢 William remarried in 1941
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What's confusing me is your repeated reference to "an ancestor"?
Dictionary definition of "ancestor" is:
a person who was in someone's family in past times
or
a person, typically one more remote than a grandparent, from whom one is descended.
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Yes sorry wrong term used , sorry , it’s a living relative, the grand daughter of Dorothy Coley ( Lily Coleys sister)
Dorothy gave birth to Barbara ( the woman on the far left of the photo in this post) Barbara gave birth to Carol ( it’s Carol and her husband that I’m communicating with)
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Just spoke to the relative , he thinks William John Green and John William Coley must be two different people in the family. Lily’s youngest child was Reggie ( born when Lily and William Green were not married and she was approx 19) I have other siblings for Reggie but none are John William coley
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A living relative has sent me a photo ( attached ) of who he remembers as “uncle bill and florrie” but he says it was taken on their 50th wedding anniversary to Florence.
Does he really think that this looks like a couple who have been married for 50 years? If they had been married for that long they would be in their 70s at the youngest.
Dorothy gave birth to Barbara ( the woman on the far left of the photo in this post) Barbara gave birth to Carol ( it’s Carol and her husband that I’m communicating with)
On the photo, the living relative says that uncle bill should be 31 years older than the woman on the far left 😬 but certainly doesn’t look it . He wrote :
In the photo with Carol's mom, Uncle Bill looks a good bit older than her but is he 31 years older?
No, he is getting Barbara mixed up with her mother who was born in 1905. If this is Barbara in the photo then she was born in 1930.
He would have been about 93 when we went to their Golden Wedding party just after Barbara died. Possible I suppose.
Barbara died in 1991 so whoever was having a 50th anniversay would have been married around 1941 and probably born in the 1910s.
I think the two of you might have a communication problem ;D
Debra :)
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The man in the photo is the same person as the younger photo you have in your Ancestry tree of John William COLEY, older brother of Dorothy and uncle to her daughter Barbara.
It is obvious that this photo was not taken in the 1990s, and I think that you will find that it is Dorothy on the left, not her daughter, and the man is Dorothy's brother William/John who was 6 years older.
Debra :)
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And the death is:
John William Green 1/1995 Worcester Reg B53E District 5271B Entry 167 (DOB 13 Oct 1931)
The marriage will be harder without some sort of date range and/or some indication of her surname
Administration 20 Feb 1995, Oxford
John William Green of 185 Tudor Way Dines Green Worcester
Died 8 January 1995
Is he on the electoral registers with Beryl J Green?
Marriage, March 1954 Worcester 9d 766
John W. Green + Beryl J. Field
Maybe
Beryl Joyce Field, born June qtr 1933 Worcester
Beryl Joyce Green, born 1933, died Q3/2008, Worcestershire
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A living relative has sent me a photo ( attached ) of who he remembers as “uncle bill and florrie” but he says it was taken on their 50th wedding anniversary to Florence.
Does he really think that this looks like a couple who have been married for 50 years? If they had been married for that long they would be in their 70s at the youngest.
Dorothy gave birth to Barbara ( the woman on the far left of the photo in this post) Barbara gave birth to Carol ( it’s Carol and her husband that I’m communicating with)
On the photo, the living relative says that uncle bill should be 31 years older than the woman on the far left 😬 but certainly doesn’t look it . He wrote :
In the photo with Carol's mom, Uncle Bill looks a good bit older than her but is he 31 years older?
No, he is getting Barbara mixed up with her mother who was born in 1905. If this is Barbara in the photo then she was born in 1930.
He would have been about 93 when we went to their Golden Wedding party just after Barbara died. Possible I suppose.
Barbara died in 1991 so whoever was having a 50th anniversay would have been married around 1941 and probably born in the 1910s.
I think the two of you might have a communication problem ;D
Debra :)
Thanks Debra , I will have a trawl thru all your posts , I believe the photos are of the same person as well, the family on my side ( my fiancés dad/ uncle / auntie have all confirmed the woman in the middle was Florence, uncle bills wife who was from Malta.
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Seems there’s also William John Green 1931-1995 in the family 😂 he may have been married to Florence
More likely to Beryl.
Family rumour says she was Malaysian.
On this thread she was supposed to be from Malta ::)
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My fiancés side of the family say Malta, the relative I’m messaging says Malaysia
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Deleted - wrong information
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Administration 20 Feb 1995, Oxford
John William Green of 185 Tudor Way Dines Green Worcester
Died 8 January 1995
Is he on the electoral registers with Beryl J Green?
Marriage, March 1954 Worcester 9d 766
John W. Green + Beryl J. Field
Maybe
Beryl Joyce Field, born June qtr 1933 Worcester
Beryl Joyce Green, born 1933, died Q3/2008, Worcestershire
Beryl J Green is showing at that address 2002 - 2008
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Well he looks to be ruled out then.
That photograph was taken at Middleton Tower Holiday Camp!
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Well he looks to be ruled out then.
That photograph was taken at Middleton Tower Holiday Camp!
If that's the same Middleton Tower camp that was at Heysham, it opened in 1939.
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Any idea where they were living when they had their 50th wedding or at any time :-\
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This is all I have at the moment, from the relatives wife Carol
From my Wife....... Florence was my godmother married to uncle Bill. She was Malaysian not sure where they got married but I think we have a photo, black and white, and if I recall she was wearing a big hat, Florrie died before Bill and one of them (not sure which one) is buried at St Giles church and the others ashes are somewhere in Ledbury. They celebrated their golden wedding sometime in the 90s. We went to the party.