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Title: Tracing birth entry at GRO
Post by: Retriever on Thursday 01 August 24 16:29 BST (UK)
I'm looking for a birth registration that appears on FreeBMD but doesn't come up when I input the details into the GRO site.

I'm trying to think of a way to bring up the relevant page by tracing someone else.

If anyone can help I'm looking for Clement Bertie Standeven, registered Pancras, 1b 55, March 1896.

Title: Re: Tracing birth entry at GRO
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 01 August 24 16:32 BST (UK)
STANDWEN, CLEMENT  BERTIE     THORPE 
GRO Reference: 1896  M Quarter in PANCRAS  Volume 01B  Page 55
Title: Re: Tracing birth entry at GRO
Post by: Retriever on Thursday 01 August 24 16:40 BST (UK)
Many thanks Rosie.

It's definitely Standeven on FreeBMD. I must learn to be more open minded re names.

Title: Re: Tracing birth entry at GRO
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 01 August 24 16:50 BST (UK)
But they have got Bertie spelt wrong  ::)
Births Mar 1896 
Standeven    Clement Bertire        Pancras    1b   55

I think that I have read somewhere that the GRO sometimes uses a different source for the index to that used by freebmd.   Sometimes a handwritten copy is available to view and other times it is typed on freebmd
Title: Re: Tracing birth entry at GRO
Post by: Retriever on Thursday 01 August 24 17:04 BST (UK)
I can forgive the mistake with Bertie. It is probably the only time I’ve seen one on the site.

This head of this family started out as Frederic Standeven Gee. Goodness knows what happened to Gee but it’s got me confused.
Title: Re: Tracing birth entry at GRO
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 01 August 24 17:32 BST (UK)
Freebmd like FindMyPast are really good at amending their errors.  I report errors to both and they are changed quite quickly.

I think gro will look at their ‘errors’ too
Title: Re: Tracing birth entry at GRO
Post by: softly softly on Thursday 01 August 24 18:39 BST (UK)
He got into a bit of trouble (article 23rd May 1931)
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Title: Re: Tracing birth entry at GRO
Post by: softly softly on Thursday 01 August 24 20:08 BST (UK)
As a matter of interest were Fred's parent's George & Eliza.

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Title: Re: Tracing birth entry at GRO
Post by: Retriever on Thursday 01 August 24 20:20 BST (UK)
Good grief, the things you can find out about family members. Luckily not close family,

Thank you for that. What a rogue.

I will have a look tomorrow re Fred’s parents.
Title: Re: Tracing birth entry at GRO
Post by: Dundee on Thursday 01 August 24 22:24 BST (UK)
I think that I have read somewhere that the GRO sometimes uses a different source for the index to that used by freebmd.

The GRO is indexing from the original registry documents.  In this case they have just misinterpreted the surname from the handwritten document and you should submit an error notice.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Tracing birth entry at GRO
Post by: Retriever on Friday 02 August 24 09:10 BST (UK)
According to the marriage certificate seen online, Frederic’s father’s name was Nathaniel, boot maker.

My interest is with the bride’s family so I haven’t done a great deal with Frederic’s.

Gee and Standeven seem to come up as two separate surnames, with Standeven mainly in the north of the country. This leads me to think it was his mother’s maiden name but I haven’t got anywhere with that.

Frederic’s age on marriage was given as 18 and his bride’s as 17..
Title: Re: Tracing birth entry at GRO
Post by: AntonyMMM on Friday 02 August 24 09:23 BST (UK)
I think that I have read somewhere that the GRO sometimes uses a different source for the index to that used by freebmd.

The GRO is indexing from the original registry documents.  In this case they have just misinterpreted the surname from the handwritten document and you should submit an error notice.

Debra  :)

FreeBMD have used the existing GRO written/printed indexes as their source.

GRO don't have any original documents - their new index has been created from going back to their COPIES of the BMD records submitted quarterly from the local registration offices (who have the only originals), and re-indexing them.

Title: Re: Tracing birth entry at GRO
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 02 August 24 10:13 BST (UK)
Thank you for clarifying that Antony  :)