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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: Retriever on Wednesday 31 July 24 16:57 BST (UK)
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I've come across someone recorded twice. The entries appear together and are duplicates except one has one middle name and the other two.
Apart from that, the only other difference is the page number for the single second name is 1372 and the one with two middle names is 1293.
Registration district, mother's mmn, etc., match. Has anyone come across this before?
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Which website is that on
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Firstly the FreeBMD site, then I checked the GRO.
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If there are two separate entries then it should be some sort of re-registration.
Would need to see the details to comment further.
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The gentleman's name is Alfred Ames, born February 1914.
The GRO has him as Alfred William, page 1372, and Alfred William George on page 1293.
The National Register has him as Alfred G, with W added in red ink.
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It is impossible to be certain just from the index entries, and you would need to get images/certificates from both, but I suspect that these are two different boys.
I see that there were two Ames/Burton marriages in Edmonton just before these births (in 1912 and 1913), and there is a death of an Alfred W Ames in the same district in 1915 (age 1)
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I had exactly the same issue back in late 1800’s. Turned out 2 brothers married 2 sisters and were naming , baptising children with same Christian names
SS
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Freebmd suggests that Alfred W died June qtr 1915 Edmonton RD (as mentioned by AntonyMMM) and Alfred WG probably married March qtr 1940 also Edmonton RD
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Now why didn’t I think of that! I’ll blame the heat.
Many thanks to you all for the interest/information.
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Info only, exactly as I said, 2 brothers/2 sisters.
Alfred Albert Ames 1889-1981 (mmn Burnell)
Florence Daisy Burton (MAY) mmn Brace 1896-1970 born Roydon, Herts
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Edward William Ames 1881-1950 (mmn Burnell)
Ada Burton 1894-1981 mmn Brace Born Roydon, Herts.
SS
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Thank you for that SS.
Alfred Ames married May Burton, Edmonton district, December quarter 1912.
He died in 1917 and May then married John Perkins. I had only seen banns for this marriage so hadn't realised May was a widow.
Seeing Alfred W G on the 1939 Register got me wondering if he was her brother and could give me her maiden name, but it turns out he was her son.
Rosie is right about the marriage of Alfred W G in 1940 as I have found his death record at age 86.
Many thanks all.
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To add to the conundrum
Alfred Ames b? -d 1917
marr Dec q 1912 Edmonton
May Burton b Jun q 1893 Edmonton (3a 477)MMN:Kiff
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May Lilian Burton b Sep q 1893 Edmonton (3a 288)MMN:Johnson Occasional Copy A
Edward William Ames b 1881 MMN:Burnell
marr Jun q 1913 Edmonton
Ada Burton b 1894 MMN:Brace
Alfred Albert Ames b 1889 MMN:Burnell
marr Sep q 1926 Edmonton
Florence Burton b 1896 MMN:Brace
Therefore, if Alfred Ames who married May Burton/May Lilian Burton in 1912 died in 1917 he couldn't marry in 1926 to Florence Burton. The two brothers and two sisters who married in 1913 and 1926 are correct and their decendants are my OH's 4th cousins.
There are 15 Ames/Burton children born between 1914 and 1937 which could apply to any of the above marriages.
Hope this helps
Jim
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Many thanks Jim.
The May Burton, mother of Alfred W G Ames, was the first May not May Louisa.
What a complicated family.
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Duplicate birth registration CAN happen - I have a case in my tree where the Registrar registered the birth then the mother also registered it a few days later. I have both certificates. Can't find details ATM of course!!
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Duplicate birth registration CAN happen - I have a case in my tree where the Registrar registered the birth then the mother also registered it a few days later. I have both certificates. Can't find details ATM of course!!
I have seen just one or two examples of events being registered twice ( usually deaths), when they shouldn't have been but it is rare. Most examples turn out to be corrections of some sort that the registrar has done by creating a new entry (wrongly) , or there is some other explanation.
In your case, the first registration must have had an informant, a registrar can't just register a birth themselves ( if they did I'd be interested to see how !).
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I'll look out the certificates and check it out Anthony, maybe my memory is bad and it was deaths not births, but will report back. I think I put a post on here at the time but can't find it now of course!!
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Apologies to hijack a topic, but a case I found seems relevant to the thread title. I have a birth, same person, same volume number but page number 9 pages different in the 1920s. Their parents (as was thought) married about 3 years later, but DNA shows the father, presumably as registered was not the actual birth father. Could the double entry indicate an amended certificate, when the man who the mother later married formerly adopted the child?
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Apologies to hijack a topic, but a case I found seems relevant to the thread title. I have a birth, same person, same volume number but page number 9 pages different in the 1920s. Their parents (as was thought) married about 3 years later, but DNA shows the father, presumably as registered was not the actual birth father. Could the double entry indicate an amended certificate, when the man who the mother later married formerly adopted the child?
The double entry is not related to adoption. Adoption never adds anything to an existing birth entry ( other than a simple "adopted" annotation"). It certainly never adds the details of a step parent.
It sounds like a re-registration of some sort, either to add a previously unnamed father, or under the Legitimacy Act, but without more details I can't advise which is more likely. If you want to post the name, or send me them by DM I'll have a look.
To be certain of what happened you have to get copies of both entries. It is impossible to be certain just from the indexes.