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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Summer18 on Tuesday 30 July 24 21:42 BST (UK)
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I am seeking Civil Records from New Zealand of Charles Maguire (variant) McGuire who arrived New Zealand from Donegal Ireland on 2nd November 1876 on the passenger ship "Orari"
It is believed that he could have had a Son namely Thomas born 1892 and it is believed that Charles may have died Australia in or around 1918,
I am seeking the Marriage of Charles sometime between his arrival 1876 and birth of Son Thomas in 1892.
I would really appreciate any leads or information and many thanks for your interest.
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You have not said when Charles McGuire was born. Without knowing a year of birth, it is just guess work, when trying to do a search.
This is the death for a Charles McGuire in 1918
1918/17213 McGuire Charles 90Y
Search for records here
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz
There is no birth in 1892 for a Thomas McGuire with a father named Charles.
Are you looking at an unsourced tree on Ancestry? Best to avoid doing that!
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there are 2 newspaper entries relating to the Charles mcGuire who died in 1918.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WT19180814.2.11?end_date=31-12-1918&query=%22Charles+mcGuire%22&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1918
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TAN19180816.2.8?end_date=31-12-1918&query=%22Charles+mcGuire%22&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1918
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Just pinning a few things in this thread so others don't have to cover the same ground.
In the NZ Births, Deaths, and Marriages Historical records there appears to only be one birth of a Thomas Mcguire in 1892:
1892/13945 McGUIRE Thomas Bridget Patrick
There are no Thomases for MAGUIRE in this same timeframe.
For the marriages of any 'Charles' McGuire between 1876 and 1893 there is:
1878/3001 Emily Annie Smith Joseph Charles McGUIRE
This latter couple had a child:
1879/11919 McGUIRE Mary Elizabeth Emily Annie Joseph Charles
There are no Charles MAGUIRE marriages.
This is the Immigration record relating to the Charles on the Orari https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FS14-76L
Charles is listed as 34 years with a birth date of 1842.
His passage was part of the Assisted Immigration/Emigration scheme.
Might the Charles you are seeking have exited NZ fairly promptly for Australia?
Does your Charles have a middle name?
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To illustrate the Australian possibility ... there is a Charles McGuire who died in NSW, Australia in 1888 that had a birthdate of 1842.
MCGUIRE CHARLES 8810/1888 AGE 46 YEARS DIED GLADESVILLE RYDE
Found here https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search
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Thank you so much for your contact.
The additional information that the family have is that Charles died Te Aroha Hamilton New Zeland on date in August 1918.
Thay have also found Probate (Will) document which was made in Hamilton also around 5th of August 1918 just days before death.
As he had a Son Thomas born 1892 I was searching for a Marriage record before 1892 which may have detailed his Fathers name in Ireland.
Again thank you and appreciated.
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The Charles McGUIRE that Neale1961 found appears to be the only one in New Zealand between 1876 and 1919.
His date of death is 4 August 1918.
However this Charles McGUIRE would have been born in 1828 (or earlier; as the papers note him as 94 but BDMH have him as 90).
There is a death for a MAGUIRE in 1916 but this fellow was a lot younger than the person you are looking for.
How sure are the family that the Charles in Te Aroha, and the will are the family they are looking for. What connection do they have backward or forward?
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The Thomas McGUIRE mentioned in the will of Charles McGUIRE may be this one:
https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE10765229
If so, the mother is 'Don't know'.
The Cenotaph record notes a direct descendant that may be able to be connected with?
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01tbx/
Or this Thomas McGUIRE was also born 1892:
https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE18771732
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01tby/
If you haven't already looked, here is the link to Thomas McGUIRE references at the NZ Archives:
https://collections.archives.govt.nz/web/arena/search#/?q=thomas+mcguire
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Greetings from the Waikato.
I have no knowledge if this family have any connection to your quest, but the father and son in the attached clip are local identities. They served their dairy farming community, on the outskirts of Hamilton city, for two generations, until each retired.
https://www.newstead.school.nz/newsletters/555-june-2022-newsletter
Alan,
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The Thomas McGUIRE mentioned in the will of Charles McGUIRE may be this one:
https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE10765229
If so, the mother is 'Don't know'.
The above Thomas McGUIRE - born 5 / 8 / 1892 - birthplace : Waihou - Mother: Unknown - Father on attestation form listed as Charles McGUIRE - may well be the following child ?
1892/ 9676 - TWIDLE - Thomas - date of birth (as deduced from online birth registration listing)
is > 5 / 8 / 1892
NZ Birth index (ex ancestry.com) shows this birth was registered at > Te Aroha.
The mother's name is of course shown on the online birth index ... I'm leaving it out of this post until I can confirm further information for her. ;) [There is a birth (hers) / a marriage and quite a few other children born of that union. ]
~ Lu
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The Charles McGUIRE that Neale1961 found appears to be the only one in New Zealand between 1876 and 1919.
His date of death is 4 August 1918.
... his date of death was actually 14 August 1918. ;)
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The additional information that the family have is that Charles died Te Aroha Hamilton New Zeland on date in August 1918.
Thay have also found Probate (Will) document which was made in Hamilton also around 5th of August 1918 just days before death.
As he had a Son Thomas born 1892 I was searching for a Marriage record before 1892 which may have detailed his Fathers name in Ireland.
Hello Summer18
As has already been mentioned here by others, there is no record of marriage for Charles McGUIRE (or var. spellings) on the New Zealand index. [Note: A New Zealand marriage record prior to October 1880, would not however show parental details for bride or groom. ]
Just so we can further check records, can you please advise us on the following > >
* Is the Thomas McGUIRE you have on your records, the man who married Olive H. HEALD in 1925 ?
* If so, do you have a copy of this 1925 marriage record (printout version, rather than a marriage certificate will give maximum information) ... and does it show the mother's name for the groom ?
[ Note: Already mentioned here that the mother's name is missing (not recorded) from the Attestation record (NZ Army) for Thomas McGUIRE - Reg. # 70178 - born 5/8/1892 - whose father is Charles McGUIRE of Te Aroha. ]
[ You may be aware, that there are a number of "family trees" posted to the ancestry.com website, which contain references to Charles McGUIRE / Kate TWIDLE later Kate MORSE / and the 1892 child Thomas McGUIRE ? ]
~ Lu
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Thank you so much for your interest and information.
I reside in Donegal Ireland wherby the relations of Charles and Thomas McGuire reside in Hamilton New Zealand but I will seek additional information around what you have requested.
When Charles Maguire/McGuire arrived Auckland on the ship Orari on 2nd November 1876 from Donegal Ireland he gave his age as 34.
When the same Charles died Te Tehora on 14th August 1918 the daily newspaper reporting his obituary stated his age as 94 and that he had resided there for more than forty years and on consideration of this, a revised calculation would indicate that on arrival in Auckland 1876 the named Charles was age 52 and Not 34.
With his place of residence in Ireland being Donegal I am researching Tithe allotments from Ireland 1840s and Griffiths valuations also ireland 1850/58 to assist in locating a Charles Maguire residing in Donegal because in Ireland he would have been known as Maguire.