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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: Jane190 on Monday 29 July 24 01:25 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I need help in finding the right ancestors of Charles F Shaffer and his wife Bridget Josephine Webb.
Charles Shaffer was born 25 March 1879 Syracuse, Onondaga County, New York, USA and died there 10 October 1951. Bridget was born 1 August 1883 New York and died 12 June 1963 Syracuse, Onondaga, New York, USA. The Information are from an online tree and i want to verify the information and need help to find their parents and grandparents. I know that Online trees are not always accurate, thats the reason why i'm reaching out for help.
The tree says that the parents of Charles were Jacob Shaffer from Germany and his wife Elizabeth born in Germany June 1849 and died in Syracuse 5 April 1920. Bridgets parents were Charles Webb born 1856 Brentford;England and Bridget Commerford. I'm interested in the Shaffer from Germany and Webb line from England to link them to my own tree and find a connection. I don't need Information on the Commerford family.
Can someone help me? I'm not familiar with research and Genealogy in the U.S
Jane
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You might find family information on the Findagrave site useful
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/236201137/charles-lee-shaffer
FamilySearch is a good place to start when looking fro records in USA
This looks like Charles in the 1880 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZXL-8ZX
and in 1900 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MS2T-FF3
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Death certificates give the names of the parents if known in the USA.
The marriage certificate may give the father's names.
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WWI registration gives his name as Charles Lee Shaffer born 25 March 1879 age 39 and a tool maker
nearest relative Bridget Shaffer both addresses are 245 Vann, Syracuse N.Y.
Description Height - short, Build - medium, Eyes - Dark Brown, Hair - Black
Ref: ancestry
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WWII registration still living at the same address and working for the same company
His hair is now grey, height 5' 5", weight 145 pounds.
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Charles L Shaffer married 26 May 1902 in Syracuse to Bridget J Webb
Certificate number 9097.
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His father must have died as his mother remarried 29 November 1897 to Adelbert Boots
Certificate number 23107.
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1900 census of Syracuse shows Charles Shaffer 21 and Jacob Shaffer 11 as stepsons of Adelbert Boots.
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1905 census of Syracuse New York there is a Jacob BOWMAN age 54 living with them as brother in law born Germany came to Us in 1851
Elizabeth Boots also says she came in 1851 so her maiden name is possibly Bowman.
Look for a passenger list circa 1851 for Elizabeth and Jacob Bowman.
Ref: ancestry
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Syracuse N.Y Post, Thu 11 Oct 1951
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2snippets from the same edition of Syracuse NY Journal (yet to date edition)-
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In case you're interested in ordering the death records, this site gives more information: https://onondaga.gov/vital/genealogy/
This gives information about marriage records at the bottom: http://www.ongov.net/clerk/faqs.html
One thing that's important to know about ordering records from New York state is that it's best to order from the local level when possible. Ordering from the state (these orders go to Albany, the state capital) involves a wait time of over 3 years for genealogical records. It's usually much faster from the local level.
Also, there are various Syracuse newspapers on www.fultonhistory.com, and there seem to be mentions of this family.
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Thank you all for the information and help in such a short time, much appreciated. I've found the marriage of the parents of Bridget Webb. Charles Webb and Bridget Commerford married 18 Aug 1880 in Queenston,Ontario, Canada. Charles was 24 and the son of Alfred Webb and Jane who were also living in Canada.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-Y395-SNN?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AFMN1-GY3&action=view
Canada 1861 Census Alfred,Jane, Charles Webb
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D4W3-MTS?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AMQW6-FLK&action=view
death Alfred Webb 1916
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JK7P-T8X
It would be interesting to know where Charles was born in 1856 and where in England his parents Alfred and Jane married.
Are there Immigration records online? If Elizabeth Bowman was born in Germany her surname probably was Baumann in German but its complicated to research someone without knowing the name of place or county there were from
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There are some immigration records online, but the earlier ones tend to give limited information.
This has links to passenger lists to Canada (among other countries) - https://www.germanroots.com/international-passenger-lists.html
And passenger lists to the US - https://www.germanroots.com/onlinelists.html
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…It would be interesting to know where Charles was born in 1856 and where in England his parents Alfred and Jane married.
I believe the 1881 census stated Charles’ middle name was William.
If Clara Florence was Charles’ sister, then Charles’ parents were Alfred Webb and Jane Wright. Source: Clara’s 1900 Ontario marriage document.
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Just guesses, but possibly your man…
Marriage document - Ancestry
Alfred Webb and Jane Wright married 25 September 1854, Newington, Oxfordshire, England.
Alfred was age 24, Jane was age 25. Fathers: James Webb; Mark Wright.
Ontario Deaths - Ancestry
Alfred Webb, died 13 December 1916, Niagara Falls, Ontario. Age 89 years, 11 months, 25 days. Widowed.
Place of birth: Oxfordshire
Both documents possibly also found on FamilySearch.
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Red herrings or possibly the same family?
1851 Census - England
Alfred Webb, age 20, born c1831. Pauper Inmate (Pauper). Union Workhouse Wallingford.
Where born: Newington, Oxfordshire, England
Civil parish: Wallingford, St Mary the More
Ecclesiastical parish: Oxford
Town: Wallingford
County/Island: Berkshire
Births
Charles William Webb. June 1856. District: Wallingford.
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Apologies if they are not your men.
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Charles Shaffer born 25 March 1879 Syracuse, Onondaga County,
Charles’ father was Alois / Aloys SHAFFER / SCHAFFER (Junior) or nickname “Ollie”
Alois sometimes appears as "Alvis" or "Elias" when written on records
He was a stone cutter working in the monumental making business
1870 Alois Shafer junior 1870 residence 205 Lock Syracuse
1879 Alois L Shaffer 1879 monumental works 57 Taylor St
1880 Taylor St Syracuse (see census posted in reply #1)
Alois Shaffer must have died between 1880 census and 1889, but I can’t see a death or burial for him. Maybe someone can find a newspaper mention of his death.
1889 directory Elizabeth Shaffer, widow Ollie, 1102 Lodi Syracuse
1890 directory Elizabeth Shaffer, widow Ollie, 106 Pattison Syracuse
By 1892 census Elizabeth Shafffer 41 laundress is in Syracuse Ward 12 with daughters Rose 19, Lottie 16, Charles 12, William 9, Frank 4.
Alois’s father was also named Alois Shaffer. He was a marble cutter in 1870 same address as son.
Alois Shaffer senior was born in Prussia / Germany in 1826 and he died in Syracuse 11 Aug 1883.
He was married to Rosina Marion von Berg (1826 – 1873) Their five children:- Marion, Alois junior, Margaret, Louisa, Charles George.
1860 census Syracuse Ward 2, Onondaga
Alois Shaver 33 born Prussia stone cutter
Rosina Shaver 34 born Württemberg
Maria 12 born New York
Alois 10 born New York
Margreth 8 born New York
Luisa 3 born New York
Charles George 7 months born New York
1865 census Syracuse Ward 2, Onondaga
Alois Shafer 39 born Germany stone cutter
Rosina Shafer 39 born Germany
Mary 17 born Germany
Alois 15 born Onondaga
Margret 13 born Onondaga
Luisa 8 born Onondaga
Charles 5 born Onondaga
1870 census Syracuse Ward 2, Onondaga
No new information except that the oldest daughter is not living at home (now married?) and Olois junior age 20 is working as a stone cutter.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M8V8-R4S
Alois Shafer senior is on civil war draft registration in 1863 Ward 2, Onondaga
Schafer, Alvis 37 born Germany, stone cutter
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Thank you all! So many new information to work with and to use for my research. ;D