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Title: Joseph Burton - Dunchurch
Post by: Zakerias on Sunday 28 July 24 22:06 BST (UK)
Another one I've been stuck on for the longest time.

Joseph Burton of Dunchurch, died 1841 aged 66 years (c. 1775). Present at the death was his wife Ann Burton (nee Cosby), who were married 1 Apr 1806 at Dunchurch. Ann was seemingly from Ryton on Dunsmore.. father John Cosby, wife Mary, baptised 1784.

Joseph's parents, not a clue. Witnesses at the marriage were Thomas Burton and Catherine Cooper.

I've chased several leads in the area (mainly around Thurlaston) but I've never found anything solid. I must admit, it has been a while since I last looked at it; appreciate any fresh eyes. There does appear to be quite a few Burtons in the area, so I'm hopeful.

Title: Re: Joseph Burton - Dunchurch
Post by: amondg on Monday 29 July 24 07:29 BST (UK)
If they followed naming patterns the first son is Benjamin 1807 usually named for the paternal grandfather.

Second son John 1808 named for maternal grandfather (mothers name as Hannah)

Third son Joseph  1810- named for his father

First daughter Catherine,  ( named for the witness at their wedding?)


Title: Re: Joseph Burton - Dunchurch
Post by: ciderdrinker on Monday 29 July 24 11:01 BST (UK)
Hi
Well this is a tough one.
I have either
Joseph and Benjamin  bapt Bishops Tachbrook 23/26 Sep 1776 sons of James Burton and Mary Gilbert who married at Newbold on Avon 14.10.1776 .Bondsman William Cooper.
James is the carpenter who dies 1778 leaving a Will but no mention of Benjamin or Joseph.Wife Mary and sons Richard and James, from his first marriage to Sarah Smith 27.5.1757 Dunchurch.

The other following Thomas Burton widower who married Susannah Robins 1819 Dunchurch ,was bapt 24.5.1763 at Newbold s of Christopher  and Mary. But there is a gap between their children 1773-1777 and no Joseph .They are of Thurlaston.

I can't track Catherine Cooper.

Ciderdrinker
Title: Re: Joseph Burton - Dunchurch
Post by: ColC on Monday 29 July 24 11:46 BST (UK)
I reached a similar conclusion to ciderdrinker.

I note Joseph & Ann’s youngest son was James, so have you considered below what appears to be Twins.

Joseph Borton Baptism 26 Sep 1776 Bishop's Tachbrook
James, Mary

Benjamin Borton Baptism 26 Sep 1776 Bishop's Tachbrook
James, Mary

It then appears they may have moved to Thurlaston, Dunchurch.
William Burton Baptism 30 Nov 1777
Dunchurch James, Mary


James Burton Burial 4 Jan 1778 Dunchurch
Abode Thurlaston, no age.

Bishops Tachbrook, is 12 miles (20 Km) SW of Dunchurch, Warwickshire

Colin
Title: Re: Joseph Burton - Dunchurch
Post by: ColC on Monday 29 July 24 12:06 BST (UK)
Oh dear

James Borton of Woolston to Mary Lee otp, 21 Jul 1776 Bishop's Tachbrook
Both signed X. Witnesses Edward & Ann Watts.

Colin
Title: Re: Joseph Burton - Dunchurch
Post by: Zakerias on Monday 29 July 24 21:24 BST (UK)
Quote from: ciderdrinker on Monday 29 July 24 11:01 BST (UK)
Hi
Well this is a tough one.
I have either
Joseph and Benjamin  bapt Bishops Tachbrook 23/26 Sep 1776 sons of James Burton and Mary Gilbert who married at Newbold on Avon 14.10.1776 .Bondsman William Cooper.
James is the carpenter who dies 1778 leaving a Will but no mention of Benjamin or Joseph.Wife Mary and sons Richard and James, from his first marriage to Sarah Smith 27.5.1757 Dunchurch.

The other following Thomas Burton widower who married Susannah Robins 1819 Dunchurch ,was bapt 24.5.1763 at Newbold s of Christopher  and Mary. But there is a gap between their children 1773-1777 and no Joseph .They are of Thurlaston.

I can't track Catherine Cooper.

Ciderdrinker

Quote from: ColC on Monday 29 July 24 11:46 BST (UK)
I reached a similar conclusion to ciderdrinker.

I note Joseph & Ann’s youngest son was James, so have you considered below what appears to be Twins.

Joseph Borton Baptism 26 Sep 1776 Bishop's Tachbrook
James, Mary

Benjamin Borton Baptism 26 Sep 1776 Bishop's Tachbrook
James, Mary

It then appears they may have moved to Thurlaston, Dunchurch.
William Burton Baptism 30 Nov 1777
Dunchurch James, Mary


James Burton Burial 4 Jan 1778 Dunchurch
Abode Thurlaston, no age.

Bishops Tachbrook, is 12 miles (20 Km) SW of Dunchurch, Warwickshire

Colin

Quote from: ColC on Monday 29 July 24 12:06 BST (UK)
Oh dear

James Borton of Woolston to Mary Lee otp, 21 Jul 1776 Bishop's Tachbrook
Both signed X. Witnesses Edward & Ann Watts.

Colin
I’m glad for once that I hadn’t been needlessly stuck on this for over four years now!

I’ve definitely looked into James and Mary before but hadn’t found the baptisms from Bishop’s Tachbrook. It’s not too far away so I think it’s a possibility. I remember the baptism for William Burton in Dunchurch in 1777 with abode of Thurlaston and reading Jame’s will, with as you mention no mention of Joseph. I did check when the will was written but it was in 1777.

I mean the fact that we have a Benjamin & Joseph Burton (born 1776) is promising in of itself. Joseph and Ann’s first two children are Benjamin (b. 1807) and Joseph (b. 1810).

The bondsman is interesting in the marriage that ciderdrinker found as it matches the second name of the witness.

Joseph Burton (d. 1841) was a labourer formerly a X (sadly I can’t read this). His first son does become a Sawyer though, so woodwork related.

I see you have found another James and Mary Colin, I’ll be sure to track this one back too.
Progress, better than what I had!

EDIT: There appears to be a marriage record in Dunchurch for James Burton and Mary Gilbert too. James Burton OTP widower and Mary Gilbert OTP of Newbold Upon Avon were married in this church by licence 16th Oct 1776 - also means these children were born out of wedlock?

Though when I look for Richard Burton, "Richard son of James and Mary Burton of Thurlaston was baptised Dec 2nd 1764" Dunchurch. Although with James (b. 1761) I do get Sarah.
Title: Re: Joseph Burton - Dunchurch
Post by: ciderdrinker on Tuesday 30 July 24 12:04 BST (UK)
Good morning
The James Burton and Mary Gilbert marriage gives James as a widower and Mary as a spinster.So the earlier baptism with a Sarah could be his first wife.
James Burton Carpenter married Sarah Smith at Dunchurch 27.3.1757.
Again James makes a x.

Ciderdrinker
Title: Re: Joseph Burton - Dunchurch
Post by: ColC on Tuesday 30 July 24 17:35 BST (UK)
I cannot find any further information on the family below, no more children born there, no burials and no marriages of the names below.

James Borton of Wolston to Mary Lee otp, 21 Jul 1776 Bishop's Tachbrook
Both signed X. Witnesses Edward & Ann Watts.

Joseph Borton Baptism 26 Sep 1776 Bishop's Tachbrook
Benjamin Borton Baptism 26 Sep 1776 Bishop's Tachbrook

There is another James and Mary at Filllongley, some 16 miles north of the above, they had 5 children there 1782-1796, they also were buried there. The 6 year gap between baptisms may be an issue but I cannot find a better fit.

I did find this marriage for Joseph but nothing clear for Benjamin.

Joseph Burton to Elizabeth Lowe 19 Jun 1799 Coventry, Holy Trinity.
Both otp, he signed, Elizabeth x
Witnesses: Thomas (looks like LEE) & Wm Gregory (he signed others)

Colin
Amended
Title: Re: Joseph Burton - Dunchurch
Post by: amondg on Tuesday 30 July 24 21:45 BST (UK)
Since Charles' middle name is Lee, I'm leaning towards the James Borton marriage 1776 at Tachbrook
Title: Re: Joseph Burton - Dunchurch
Post by: Zakerias on Friday 02 August 24 22:21 BST (UK)
Quote from: amondg on Tuesday 30 July 24 21:45 BST (UK)
Since Charles' middle name is Lee, I'm leaning towards the James Borton marriage 1776 at Tachbrook

I'm afraid I'm lost as to where this fits in :(

There's certainly a hive of activity going on around Dunchurch -10/+10 years of Joseph's birth. Taken from the parish registers at Dunchurch:


Seems pretty conclusive that James first marriage to Sarah Smith lines up, with Sarah dying in 1773 and James dying in 1778. I wonder what happened to Mary Burton? Maybe she's the death in 1781? Anyway there's no will for Mary d. 1781.

What I don't get here with either record is Sarah dies, why the baptisms at Bishop's Tachbrook? Surely this only makes sense if James moves to Wolston, which is admittedly quite close to Dunchurch, marries Mary Lee and then they move back?

But then they'd be two James & Mary Burton's in Dunchurch (because of James OTP marries Mary Gilbert in Dunchurch records), which doesn't appear to be the case?

Either way Joseph Burton makes his way back to Dunchurch...

I am beginning to wonder if there's any burials for James/Mary Burton near Bishop's Tachbrook.

I think I'm more confused now than when I started.

Title: Re: Joseph Burton - Dunchurch
Post by: ColC on Saturday 03 August 24 12:56 BST (UK)
As I mentioned in my post on the couple below, no more baptisms, no burials in Bishop's Tachbrook.

Marriages,
Mary Lee to James Borton 21 Jul 1776 Bishop's Tachbrook

Banns
Mary Lee to James Borton 14 Jul 1776 Wolston

I cannot find a suitable baptism for James but I wonder if this is Mary and her family.

Thomas LEESE married Elizabeth WARD 6 Jan 1744 Bishop's Tachbrook both otp.

Thomas, Elizabeth Baptisms Bishop's Tachbrook
Mary Lees  26 Jun 1757

Also. Anne Leese 31 Mar 1745
Elizabeth Lees 11 Oct 1747
Thomas Lees 30 Mar 1752

No marriages for the above three at Bishop's Tachbrook, plenty elsewhere.

Record states a woman?
Elizabeth Lees Burial 21 Oct 1761 Bishop's Tachbrook

Thomas Lees Burial 18 Apr 1785 Bishop's Tachbrook, a pauper died 16 April

Colin
Title: Re: Joseph Burton - Dunchurch
Post by: Zakerias on Monday 05 August 24 21:49 BST (UK)
Possible baptism for James (Mary Lees):

28 Jul 1751 Wolston father Jonathan, mother Sarah

Jonathan BURTON bapt 25 Dec 1717, father John, Wolston

Married Sarah BRETON 1 Oct 1748, Brinklow
Title: Re: Joseph Burton - Dunchurch
Post by: ColC on Tuesday 06 August 24 10:54 BST (UK)
I guess the baptism you mention is possible but I’m not convinced without some later information?

I note the tree on Ancestry for Jonathon Burton (1717-1755) & Sarah Breton possible death below. The owner of the tree has the marriage of James to Mary Lees and the baptisms of Joseph & Benjamin but nothing else.

Sarah BURTON
Burial16 Sep 1771 Widow
Wolston: St Margaret: Parish Register

The only death I can see for Jonathon in the year noted on the tree below?

Family Search.
Burial 10 January 1755 Stretton-upon-Dunsmore

The BMD parish records on Ancestry 1725 – 1812, end abruptly in 1749?

The marriage licence at Brinklow for Jonathon states he was of Wolston and Sarah of Anstry. 

Colin
Title: Re: Joseph Burton - Dunchurch
Post by: ColC on Tuesday 06 August 24 11:35 BST (UK)
This was in you original post, it might be worth looking at it again. What if he named his eldest son after his twin brother and the second son after his father?


Joseph Burton married Ann Cosby 1 Apr 1806 Dunchurch, Warwickshire
Both otp witnesses Thomas Burton & Catherine Cooper.

 Dunchurch, Warwickshire Baptisms Joseph & Ann/Hannah*

Benjamin Burton 1 Feb 1807
John Burton 25 Dec 1808*
Joseph Burton 15 Jul 1810
Catherine Burton 1 Nov 1813 
Sarah Burton 21 May 1815 Father a Labourer
Ann Burton 11 Jul 1819
Joseph Burton 11 Jan 1822 
Thomas Burton 30 Mar 1824

Colin
Title: Re: Joseph Burton - Dunchurch
Post by: ColC on Tuesday 06 August 24 14:10 BST (UK)
I cannot find a marriage for this couple but based on the baptisms it would be worth checking?

Benjamin Burton & Mary, baptisms.

Sheldon, St Giles, Warwickshire

Ann Burton 12 Oct 1806 
Ann Maria Burton 11 Sep 1808
John Burton 14 Jul 1811

Bickenhill, Warwickshire
Benjamin Burton 27 Jul 1813 abode Marston Green (Rake Maker)

Benjamin a Rake Maker &  Mary Ann
James Burton 19 Apr 1818 Solihull Abode Marston Green.

Colin