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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: WirralLad on Friday 26 July 24 11:14 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
How do I find out what regiments were in Gibraltar in 1814/1815?
I have the baptism of a Thomas Audley the son of a George Audley who was baptised 22nd January 1815 (born 31st December 1814)
The record states George Audley was of "Barrack Department" and a witness/godfather was "Lt. Cambrick", hence I suspect he was army rather than Navy.
Ideas of what regiments wrer in Gibraltar at that time, whould help me identify where George Audley originated. Unfortunately I do not know the mother's name.
Thanks in ancicipation of any help
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Hello
It's not really my area but I took a look at the Pension records and found someone who may be your man.
George Audley alias Hadley Greenwich pensioner which means he was a marine or in the Navy.
He appears on the pension record 1832 -1836.But may that's just the date of the records i can find.
He is from Gibralter ,last served the ship Minstral. But by 1835 has returned home.
Born 1770/1771 New Ross near Wrexham.
In 8th July 1836 he is given as 55 widower with 1 son .He was born New Ross and is connected to Rockingham house as his last residence. He is a sea man. No 1535
He has served 15 yeas and five months.His pension is £12 4d
It looks like he got his pension 6 Sept 1832 but I'm not sure of that.
The only other George Audley was of the Newfoundland Regiment but he died January 1815.
The only Cambrick I can see is James Cambrick of the Navy and HM Indefatigable with a mother Esther. Not doing so well on him.
There is probably someone out there with real expertise who I'm sure will do better.
Ciderdrinker
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Hi ciderdrinker,
That may not be the George Audley I am after, but what you say is extremely helpful.
You say that George Audley was born in New Ross near Wrexham I would suspect that the record might say New Ross, Wexford, Ireland. I know that there is a New Ross in Wexford Ireland and there was an Audley Family that was very near New Ross in Ireland. I cannot find a New Ross near Wrexham, Wales.
Would it be possible to advise me of your source of the Greenwich Pensioner information, so that I can take a look at the document. I assume it is on a subscription website.
I had assumed that the George Audley was army as in the baptism record it says that he was of Barrack department. I assume Barracks are more army than Navy. Also the witness/ godfather was Lt Cambrick. I interpret the Lt as Lieutenant which I believe is an army rank and not a Navy rank.
Many thanks for your help and if possible could you please let me know the source of the Greenwich Pensioner information so I can take a look at it.
Regards
Wirral Lad
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George may have been Navy or Royal Marines, the National Archives have Naval records for Thomas the son, he was a seaman rigger in Chatham Dockyard. Sons usually followed in the father’s footsteps and joined the same arm of the forces.
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Hi Jebber & ciderdrinker.
Thanks for your replies to my original message
I have now found the records that ciderdrinker refers to on the FindMyPast website. It could well be the George Audley I am after.
But a couple of questions Where does Wrexham come from I cannot find it in the records?
I have found that a George Audley was buried on 18th December 1840 at Greenwich aged 78 which suggests he was born 1761/2.
I am still trying to identify what and where Rockingham House is. Could it be in Greenwich?
Jabber
I agree with everything you say my concern is would a Navy man have his wife aboard ship for the child to have been born and baptised in Gibraltar?
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I assume Barracks are more army than Navy. Also the witness/ godfather was Lt Cambrick. I interpret the Lt as Lieutenant which I believe is an army rank and not a Navy rank.
WirralLad, I'm afraid both of your assumptions are wrong. The Army, Navy and Royal Marines all lived in barracks when required, although I accept that most Royal Navy sailors will have lived onboard their ships, when not posted to a shore establishment. And secondly Lt is also a rank in the Navy and Royal Marines. In both cases it is slightly higher than the Army rank of the same name, and equates to a junior Captain in the Army. And the Navy rank is pronounced the American way, 'Loo/tenant' whereas the Army rank is pronounced 'lef/tenant'
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Yes, at that time it was quite common for some men to have their wife aboard with them.
The Navy record I fund for Thomas is definitely him, born in Gibraltar 31December 1814. It is free to register on the TNA website and free to download the documents.
Addendum
His service number was 32793.
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Andy J2022 & Jebber,
Thanks for correcting my assumptions
I have now downloaded the information about Thomas Audley from the National Archives
Regards
Wirral Lad
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George was DD (Discharged Dead) from the Navy pension roll, the 16th December 1840, that ties in with the burial you have for him on the 17th. It confirms he was Navy.
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Jabber,
Many thanks for the extra information
Regards
Wirral Lad
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Glad it was of help. :)
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Good Morning
Glad you have more details.
I'm afraid I made a mistake with the Wrexham bit. Can't think why .It doesn't actually say which one it was ,just New Ross.
Just wanted to clear that up.
Ciderdrinker
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George Audley alias Hadley
The navy pension records show that he was resident in Gibraltar in 1832.
From the Gibraltar Register of Inhabitants, 1834:
HADDLEY George aged 72 BRITISH Protestant
Painter
Pensioner from Navy Yard
Widower
Resident for 26 years
https://www.nationalarchives.gi/Surname_1834.aspx
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Per the navy allotment records, James Cambrick was an "LM": a Landsman, not a Lieutenant.
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last served the ship Minstral
George Audley was Quartermaster on Minstrel. Discharged at Gibraltar in 1812 after 15+ years service.
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FADM29%2F11560%2F00044&parentid=GBM%2FGREP%2FADM29%2F00004830
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I am still trying to identify what and where Rockingham House is. Could it be in Greenwich?
A "receptacle for seamen" per this newspaper mention in 1837:
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Ciderdrinker
Thanks for the clarification with regard to the History of the Audley Surname New Ross is very significant.
Thanks for your help
ShaunJ
Thanks for extra information and clarification; in particular the 1834 inhabitants list of Gibraltar
Regards
Wirral Lad