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Title: Name on 1851 Census
Post by: Sessylt on Thursday 25 July 24 22:57 BST (UK)
Relevant link (https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/16695378:8860)

I am completely unable to read this. From the handwriting on the rest of the page it seems to me to read Samuel again. Or Lemuel? Was it a case of dittography?

I would appreciate any help on this.

Kind regards,
Sessylt

Title: Re: Name on 1851 Census
Post by: shanreagh on Friday 26 July 24 22:39 BST (UK)
The link goes to the Anc$stry site.  Many of us will not be able to read the link for further clues becasue of this. Do you have a reference so we can access it through other means please?   Eg is it the English or US Census?

To me it looks like Samuel.  There is a tip on this board to read difficult writing upside down.  Perhaps you could try doing that? I have done this in the past and it is a good tip.  It apparently disentangles the brain from seeing something that may not be there or feeling that it cannot see any name it at all   
Title: Re: Name on 1851 Census
Post by: mckha489 on Friday 26 July 24 22:52 BST (UK)
Household schedule number   25
Piece   2175
Folio   440
Page number   10


It is a step-daughter.

The name above is Samuel and the first letter isn’t the same.
J? Although other J s on the page are more open.

Something like Jemimah?
Title: Re: Name on 1851 Census
Post by: shanreagh on Friday 26 July 24 23:26 BST (UK)
Thanks mckha489.

Clearly it makes a difference if the person is female and not male  ;)  A bigger snip is always useful too.

Edited to add: 

What do the refs apply to please?  I am floundering around on Family Search looking for this census and cannot see where you'd use the ref numbers you've given?
Title: Re: Name on 1851 Census
Post by: bbart on Saturday 27 July 24 06:16 BST (UK)
Transcription:  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGK1-1HT

A bigger chunk to squint at, 4th name from the top:
Title: Re: Name on 1851 Census
Post by: Kay99 on Saturday 27 July 24 06:48 BST (UK)
If female could she be Jemima with the h at the end in error??

Kay
Title: Re: Name on 1851 Census
Post by: orkrad on Sunday 28 July 24 00:53 BST (UK)
 How about Jeremiah Roberts ? Regards Orkrad
Title: Re: Name on 1851 Census
Post by: mckha489 on Sunday 28 July 24 01:03 BST (UK)
How about Jeremiah Roberts ? Regards Orkrad

It is a girl. Is Jeremiah ever a girl's name?
Title: Re: Name on 1851 Census
Post by: J.J. on Monday 12 August 24 21:23 BST (UK)
   Looking at the versions of J & S- capital S in Samuel (Lemuel) looks more like an L which are also all over the place... but middle looks like the m in Samuel - so agree it looks to be Jemiuh (Jeniah?) - If it wasn't a Samuel just before her entry I might have guessed Semiuh?  With some extra strokes in many "r" & some open topped "a" one might have to put this one down to bad guesses, ears & penmanship.
 
  Adding Don't see any of this bunch anywhere in 1861, but perhaps they were in transit, as Samuel appears to have 2 more half-brothers in 1871 Cleator Moor, Cumberland.
 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRM9-2JC

I see that you'd posted elsewhere, with a discussion re: this family / 1851 census
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=563403.0
This post has her marrying John Rowe as Ann Jane
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731575.msg5772450#msg5772450
Title: Re: Name on 1851 Census
Post by: Sessylt on Sunday 27 July 25 17:35 BST (UK)
Sorry to revive this after so long, but I've noticed from one of the census records and newspaper records that Ann Jane actually seems to have been "Jane Ann", strictly speaking. She went by "Annie", and may have inverted her first and middle name out of preference. This would then explain why "Jane Ann" in a heavy Irish accent might have been mistranscribed into something like "Jennah" or whatever is written in the original post.
Title: Re: Name on 1851 Census
Post by: dobfarm on Monday 28 July 25 08:52 BST (UK)
Relevant link (https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/16695378:8860)

I am completely unable to read this. From the handwriting on the rest of the page it seems to me to read Samuel again. Or Lemuel? Was it a case of dittography?

I would appreciate any help on this.

Kind regards,
Sessylt

Jeremiah or Samuel but ? the last letter does looks like ' h '