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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Merionethshire => Wales => Merionethshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Robbo1973 on Saturday 20 July 24 01:15 BST (UK)
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Hi . Does anyone have any information on above family , especially their daughters Elizabeth B1900 ,Selina B1914 , Blodwen B1915 & Mair B1920 , ive found info on other family members including my grandmother Catherine B1905 but theres so many of other 4 in searches , im struggling to connect the right ones , Many thanks
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Was Ellen’s maiden name Jones?
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Yes it was
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Do you have any of the family in 1939?
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https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3413043/3413049/67/doctors%2BOR%2Bbuildings
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Yea I have the family from 1939,it's just information on those 4 sisters really,I have the birth registrations but nothing else after
That newspaper clipping is ace,thank you
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That newspaper clipping is ace,thank you
Croeso
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Just had to look up what Croeso meant lol , Thank you , ill remember that , id love to be able to speak welsh , my dad was fluent , used to love him speaking welsh
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This is very much a “longshot” suggestion
EDIT - BELOW SHOULD READ "DIGITAL IMAGE FOR £3" NOT PDF
You can buy a pdf copy of each of those children's birth certs to establish their exact birthdates. Copies cost £3 each. If you have any of the children in 1939 you may already have some info
IF - they died from 1969 onwards their full birthdate will be on their death reg BUT they may have married
Now - here comes the fun bit 😂
You would need to search deaths using their christian names only to find a birthdate match. Using whatever surname is found - look for a marriage between a ?? Evans & that surname
(eg)
Birthdate match found on a death reg for a Selina Bloggs - is there a marriage between Selina Evans & a Mr Bloggs?
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1921 in Doctors Buildings, Barmouth:-
Evan Evans Head 1873 Carter, working for John H Daniels
Ellen Evans Wife 1880
Jennie Evans Daughter 1907
Robert Jones Evans Son 1909
Ella Evans Daughter 1910
Selina Evans Daughter 1914
Blodwen Evans Daughter 1915
Mair Evans Daughter 1921
In 1939, Robert Jones Evans, born on 4th September 1909, was a Gas Works Stoker living at Flat 35, Victoria Buildings, with his wife, Mary Ellen (changed to Ellen Mary), born on 15th December 1910. One blanked out child.
Probable marriage to Ellen M Daly in Dolgellau District in 1933. Two daughters, one in 1934 and one in 1944.
David
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2 snippets from the Barmouth & County Advertiser
31 July 1902
"SUCCESS - The first prize - £2 - offered by the Cambrian Railways Co. for the best kept horse, harness and stable, was awarded to Carter Evan Evans, Barmouth for 1901-02"
5 Nov 1903
"RECOGNITION - the premium of £2 offered by the Cambrian Railways Company to men in charge of the Company's horses and stables has been awarded to Mr Evan Evans, Bronaber Terrace, who is in charge of the Company's horses and stables at Barmouth. Mr Evans won the premium last year."
ADDED - took 2nd prize in 1904.
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The Barmouth and County Advertiser, 28 Sep 1905, reported that Evan was debarred from competing for the 1st prize under Company rules. But he took 2nd in 1904 and 1905. The article concludes -
"Great credit is due to Evans, whose horse is a picture of health and care to be looked at on the street. The awarding of such prizes is the best possible encouragement to good and kind treatment of animals."
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1921 in Doctors Buildings, Barmouth:-
Evan Evans Head 1873 Carter, working for John H Daniels
Ellen Evans Wife 1880
Jennie Evans Daughter 1907
Robert Jones Evans Son 1909
Ella Evans Daughter 1910
Selina Evans Daughter 1914
Blodwen Evans Daughter 1915
Mair Evans Daughter 1921
In 1939, Robert Jones Evans, born on 4th September 1909, was a Gas Works Stoker living at Flat 35, Victoria Buildings, with his wife, Mary Ellen (changed to Ellen Mary), born on 15th December 1910. One blanked out child.
Probable marriage to Ellen M Daly in Dolgellau District in 1933. Two daughters, one in 1934 and one in 1944.
David
I have that info but can't find anything further for selina ,blodwen or mair, Not sure who they married etc as there's just so many with same name
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but can't find anything further for selina ,blodwen or mair, Not sure who they married etc as there's just so many with same name
See my reply 8
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This is very much a “longshot” suggestion
You can buy a pdf copy of each of those childrens birth certs to establish their exact birthdates. Copies cost £3 each. If you have any of the children in 1939 you may already have some info
IF - they died from 1969 onwards their full birthdate will be on their death reg BUT they may have married
Now - here comes the fun bit 😂
You would need to search deaths using their christian names only to find a birthdate match. Using whatever surname is found - look for a marriage between a ?? Evans & that surname
(eg)
Birthdate match found on a death reg for a Selina Bloggs - is there a marriage between Selina Evans & a Mr Bloggs?
Oh great, thank you,I'll look into that. £3 each from where?. When I've ordered of GRO, they are £7 for a pdf
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£3 for a digital image. A link to download comes immediately on payment. Click on the button left of the entry in GRO and see the choices.
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£3 for a digital image. A link to download comes immediately on payment. Click on the button left of the entry in GRO and see the choices.
Thank you. I'll try it
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£3 for a digital image. A link to download comes immediately on payment. Click on the button left of the entry in GRO and see the choices.
Found it 😊
So I submitted all info, got to payment and it's saying £8 for a PDF, Where are thinking it's £3?
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Select "digital image" for £3. PDF is £8. My fault - used term PDF instead of Digital image - apologies
& have put an edit on my reply 8
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Select "digital image" for £3. PDF is £8. My fault - used term PDF instead of Digital image - apologies
& have put an edit on my reply 8
Thank you, ordered all digital images for children now 😊
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This is very much a “longshot” suggestion
EDIT - BELOW SHOULD READ "DIGITAL IMAGE FOR £3" NOT PDF
You can buy a pdf copy of each of those children's birth certs to establish their exact birthdates. Copies cost £3 each. If you have any of the children in 1939 you may already have some info
IF - they died from 1969 onwards their full birthdate will be on their death reg BUT they may have married
Now - here comes the fun bit 😂
You would need to search deaths using their christian names only to find a birthdate match. Using whatever surname is found - look for a marriage between a ?? Evans & that surname
(eg)
Birthdate match found on a death reg for a Selina Bloggs - is there a marriage between Selina Evans & a Mr Bloggs?
Well !!!. Thanks for the tip, Got images instantly...Then..... I'm glad you said "Fun Bit" 🤦♂️, Theres 24 "Elizabeths" that share the same DOB 🤣🤣🤣
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If any of those Elizabeths died in Merionethshire or nearby - start with them first. If you are lucky any marriage will be on freebmd www.freebmd.org.uk 🤞🤞🤞
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You may have seen the newspaper articles about Ellen Evans endorsement of "Doan's Backache Kidney Pills" in the Welsh Gazette from 1925 to 1928.
On 1st May 1924, Mrs E. Evans, 6 Doctors Buildings, Barmouth, said:-"Two years ago I started to be troubled with terrible pains across my back. I dreaded washing days, and stooping was very difficult. I was low spirited, and had nasty headaches. Etc..."
David
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Yea I have the family from 1939,it's just information on those 4 sisters really,I have the birth registrations but nothing else after
That newspaper clipping is ace,thank you
Are the sisters together with their parents in 1939. I'm struggling to find them .
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There are two trees on Ancestry which have the death of Ellen on 10th October 1927, and one has the death of Evan in 1939. Includes a photo of Ellen.
Neither has any further information on the three sisters.
David
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Name Selina Evans
Baptism Age 0
Record Type Baptism
Birth Date 1914
Baptism Date 11 Nov 1914
Baptism Place Llanaber, Merionethshire, Wales
Father
Evan Evans
Mother
Ellen Evans
They are at 6 Doctors buildings and Evan is a carter.
I am staying just outside Barmouth at the moment and have been to Llanaber Church quite a few times. It's in a beautiful spot overlooking the sea.
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Name Ellen Evans
Death Age48
Record TypeBurial
Birth Date1879
Death Dateabt 1927
Burial Date10 Nov 1927 Correct as in register
Burial PlaceLlanaber, Merionethshire, Wales
6 Doctors Buildings
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Name Evan Evans Death
Age63
Record TypeBurial
Birth Date1876
Death Dateabt 1939
Burial Date26 Jan 1939
Burial PlaceLlanaber, Merionethshire, Wales
Of Cumberland Place Barmouth.
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If any of those Elizabeths died in Merionethshire or nearby - start with them first. If you are lucky any marriage will be on freebmd www.freebmd.org.uk 🤞🤞🤞
Thank you ,Ive found one in merthyr so researching her 1st , then theres a couple in liverpool and north west so ill try them also , Many thanks for your help
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Name Evan Evans Death
Age63
Record TypeBurial
Birth Date1876
Death Dateabt 1939
Burial Date26 Jan 1939
Burial PlaceLlanaber, Merionethshire, Wales
Yea i have that info , Many thanks
Of Cumberland Place Barmouth.
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You may have seen the newspaper articles about Ellen Evans endorsement of "Doan's Backache Kidney Pills" in the Welsh Gazette from 1925 to 1928.
On 1st May 1924, Mrs E. Evans, 6 Doctors Buildings, Barmouth, said:-"Two years ago I started to be troubled with terrible pains across my back. I dreaded washing days, and stooping was very difficult. I was low spirited, and had nasty headaches. Etc..."
David
I didnt, Thank you david , ill look that up , With not Being from Wales , Is there any newspapers you suggest looking at or is it just a case of just looking through every suggestion ?
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You may have seen the newspaper articles about Ellen Evans endorsement of "Doan's Backache Kidney Pills" in the Welsh Gazette from 1925 to 1928.
On 1st May 1924, Mrs E. Evans, 6 Doctors Buildings, Barmouth, said:-"Two years ago I started to be troubled with terrible pains across my back. I dreaded washing days, and stooping was very difficult. I was low spirited, and had nasty headaches. Etc..."
David
I didnt, Thank you david , ill look that up , With not Being from Wales , Is there any newspapers you suggest looking at or is it just a case of just looking through every suggestion ?
You may have seen the newspaper articles about Ellen Evans endorsement of "Doan's Backache Kidney Pills" in the Welsh Gazette from 1925 to 1928.
On 1st May 1924, Mrs E. Evans, 6 Doctors Buildings, Barmouth, said:-"Two years ago I started to be troubled with terrible pains across my back. I dreaded washing days, and stooping was very difficult. I was low spirited, and had nasty headaches. Etc..."
David
I didnt, Thank you david , ill look that up , With not Being from Wales , Is there any newspapers you suggest looking at or is it just a case of just looking through every suggestion ? or any particular papers that covered Barmouth & Dolgelly
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The papers are available on Findmypast or https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk
I don't have a subscription to the latter, but you can do the search which will show the start of the text.
Use the 'advanced search' and enter '6 Doctors Buildings' in the 'exact phrase' section
On the 1939 register, there are two properties in Cumberland Place.
No. 1 is the Thomas family and the first line of no. 2 is blank, but there are two blanked out spaces following it. I wonder if that is where the children might have been, although not usually blanked out at their ages.
Cumberland Place post code is LL42 1ES and, if you use the satellite view on Bing Maps, you can see the numbers 1 and 2.
David
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The papers are available on Findmypast or https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk
I don't have a subscription to the latter, but you can do the search which will show the start of the text.
Use the 'advanced search' and enter '6 Doctors Buildings' in the 'exact phrase' section
On the 1939 register, there are two properties in Cumberland Place.
No. 1 is the Thomas family and the first line of no. 2 is blank, but there are two blanked out spaces following it. I wonder if that is where the children might have been, although not usually blanked out at their ages.
Cumberland Place post code is LL42 1ES and, if you use the satellite view on Bing Maps, you can see the numbers 1 and 2.
David
Fantastic , Thank you
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This is very much a “longshot” suggestion
EDIT - BELOW SHOULD READ "DIGITAL IMAGE FOR £3" NOT PDF
You can buy a pdf copy of each of those children's birth certs to establish their exact birthdates. Copies cost £3 each. If you have any of the children in 1939 you may already have some info
IF - they died from 1969 onwards their full birthdate will be on their death reg BUT they may have married
Now - here comes the fun bit 😂
You would need to search deaths using their christian names only to find a birthdate match. Using whatever surname is found - look for a marriage between a ?? Evans & that surname
(eg)
Birthdate match found on a death reg for a Selina Bloggs - is there a marriage between Selina Evans & a Mr Bloggs?
I agree with this. I found a married Selina which seemed like a good match, but on a tree she was a Selina Roberts.
It was a more popular name than you would think.
At least a birth date would help with 1939 register and a death.
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This is very much a “longshot” suggestion
EDIT - BELOW SHOULD READ "DIGITAL IMAGE FOR £3" NOT PDF
You can buy a pdf copy of each of those children's birth certs to establish their exact birthdates. Copies cost £3 each. If you have any of the children in 1939 you may already have some info
IF - they died from 1969 onwards their full birthdate will be on their death reg BUT they may have married
Now - here comes the fun bit 😂
You would need to search deaths using their christian names only to find a birthdate match. Using whatever surname is found - look for a marriage between a ?? Evans & that surname
(eg)
Birthdate match found on a death reg for a Selina Bloggs - is there a marriage between Selina Evans & a Mr Bloggs?
I agree with this. I found a married Selina which seemed like a good match, but on a tree she was a Selina Roberts.
It was a more popular name than you would think.
At least a birth date would help with 1939 register and a death.
I have a full DOB now so ill take a llok at selina robert and others ,Many Thanks
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Perhaps you can give the full date of birth.
It would really help all the others trying to help you out
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Perhaps you can give the full date of birth.
It would really help all the others trying to help you out
oh yea sorry so ...
elizabeth evans born 22 sept 1900
Blodwen Evans born 9 Nov 1915
Selina Evans born 22 june 1914
mair evans born 21 Jan 1921
now ive found a mair moule , but i cant find a marriage
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There is a Mair Evans with that birthdate as a house servant in 1939
Pengwern Hall, Llangollen, Llangollen U.D., Denbighshire, Wales
No name changes, so not married in UK anyway.
There is a Kettering death in 1963 for someone age 41. Which I suppose is possible. Funny how we (I) think it more likely she emigrated than moved to Kettering.
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There is a Mair Evans with that birthdate as a house servant in 1939
Pengwern Hall, Llangollen, Llangollen U.D., Denbighshire, Wales
No name changes, so not married in UK anyway.
Only info I have of her is that she had a daughter named pat or patricia, I thought if cracked it by finding obituary for mair moule (died in bangor) from her daughter pat . But patricia moule i thought was her married Bryan hursey but finding his sons tree on my heritage says pats mum was olive Curtis so either wrong mair or wrong pat. So back to square one🫤
There is a Kettering death in 1963 for someone age 41. Which I suppose is possible. Funny how we (I) think it more likely she emigrated than moved to Kettering.
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was double barrelled names unusual in 1940s / 50s ? , ive tried to search for a death of selina (born 22/6/1914) and cant find anything unless a doubled barrelled name ,Only one i find Mair ( born 1921) is a mrs mair moule who died and her obituary from her daughter Patricia , Theres so many Patricia moules , Ruled out the married one to B.Hursey so none of the wiser really but thank you all for your help . Greatly Appreciated
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Can you please post the Mair Moules death reference.
And also the Selina possibility
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Can you please post the Mair Moules death reference.
And also the Selina possibility
https://funeral-notices.co.uk/notice/1908546
If you search on ancestry for mair death using dob only, mair mouls is only one, I was told by a family member she had a daughter named Pat
Selina I can't find anything
Blodwen working on a blodwen talbot I found
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So.. no S. No wonder I couldn’t find it on the GRO
You could write a letter to Pat c/- the undertakers. Might be worth a try.
Looks as if she may have been born 1941.
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So.. no S. No wonder I couldn’t find it on the GRO
You could write a letter to Pat c/- the undertakers. Might be worth a try.
Looks as if she may have been born 1941.
yea i think that might be my only option because i cant seem to get anywhere with either elizabeth m selina blodwen or mair , Every avenue ive gone down as come to a dead end, So frustrating
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Marriages Mar 1940 (>99%)
Evans Myra Moule Surrey Mid.E.
Moule George P Evans Surrey Mid.E.
What about this. MYRA.
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1939 has a Myras Evans with the right dob working for a family with a pertinent surname in Barking, Essex. [Ancestry indexing]
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1939 has a Myras Evans with the right dob working for a family with a pertinent surname in Barking, Essex. [Ancestry indexing]
Have we cracked it 🤔😉🙂
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Well done you two!
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yea i looked at that but theres a birth certificate for myra evans aswell as the one i have of mair so dont think its her
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You would need the marriage certificate to confirm her father.
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You would need the marriage certificate to confirm her father.
It's on My heritage, Her mums name was owen,
Mairs was jones
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You would need the marriage certificate to confirm her father.
It's on My heritage, Her mums name was owen,
Mairs was jones
Don’t understand that.
Mothers name is not on a marriage cert in the UK
So what is it you are seeing on My Heritage?
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You would need the marriage certificate to confirm her father.
It's on My heritage, Her mums name was owen,
Mairs was jones
Don’t understand that.
Mothers name is not on a marriage cert in the UK
So what is it you are seeing on My Heritage?
The myra evans that has the same date of birth as mair ,on he birth registration, her mothers name is owen, if you search through the family tree that's on there, I clearly states myra evans married gordon p moule and her mums name was owen
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does it definitely say she married Gordon Moule, as Myra Evans married a George Moule
If it does, it suggests the family tree you're looking at may not be particularly accurate - the subscriber submitted ones aren't always reliable
The birth of Myra Evans with mmn Owen was registered Jun-Sep 1921, which doesn't fit with someone whose birthday was 15 January