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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Worcestershire => Topic started by: Tom Langley on Wednesday 17 July 24 17:17 BST (UK)
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Hello, I am wondering if anyone has access to the original records for a baptism please. Prudence Little who was baptised on 7th June 1778 in Halesowen and Oldbury, Worcestershire according to the England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 on FindMyPast. I dont have the specific church sadly. Th parents are listed as Gabriso (Gabriel) and Sarah but I am hoping that Sarah has been mistranscribed, so to prove my theory the mother was called Mary.
If anyone also has access to the Staffordshire originals too I want to check her burial date - 24 Sep 1832 • St Michael's, Brierley Hill. Info taken from the National Burial Index For England & Wales. Wondering if the year may be wrong based off some other records I have seen.
Can anyone help?
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Halesowen
It looks as though a visit to a FamilySearch centre or affiliated library is required
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/215230?availability=Family%20History%20Library
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Brierley Hill,
I am only coming up with this book. https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/1626042?availability=Family%20History%20Library
Presume she is Prudence Addleton at death?
but I see Haddleton also recorded for a baptism of a child.
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The original OPRs are on Ancestry, surname Littley I'm afraid they do note Gabriel & Sarah.
Colin
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Thanks for the guidance and confirmation. It’s a weird one, I can’t find two separate Gabriel Littley/Parsons but there is clearly two having children at the same time (just prudence in the case of Gabriel and Sarah).
Looking for prudences death to be confirmed too as the same situation occurs with her husband Benjamin haddleton
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Thomas Little
Baptism Date 9 May 1773
Baptism Place Halesowen, Worcestershire
Father
Gabriel Little
Mother Mary Little
Colin
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With Mary he had Susanna, Thomas, rhoda, Samuel and Samson between 1771 and 1786.
One theory was he married three times and married a Mary, then Sarah and then a Mary but can only find the one marriage.
Doesn’t help the family used an alias so went by little/littley or parsons.
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The only death I can see for Prudence is on freereg but you have probably seen it?
The name is transcribed as Addleton, age 54 abode Brockmoor.
Colin
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Gabriel Lyttley to Mary Muchall
Marriage Date 11 May 1769
Marriage Place Halesowen, Worcestershire
I guess the mothers name on the baptism for Prudence could be an error, I do not see any other marriages for Gabriel in the County.
Colin
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Hi Tom
Ancestry has the Bishop's Transcripts of Worcestershire parish registers, as mentioned above.
I was in Worcester this morning so checked the microfilm of the actual Halesowen Parish Register Volume 10. Prudence's baptism states that she was the "Daughter of Gabriel & Sarah Little". Not Littley as on the Bishop's Transcript)
The only Gabriel Little in the Worcestershire Marriage Index, which doesn't seem to include Halesowen marriages, was Gabriel Little to Sarah Print on December 20 1784 at Beckford which is about 40 miles from Halesowen. . .
Regards
Jack
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Beckford was in Gloucestershire until 1931. There is the baptism below, 7 miles from Beckford, his parents also Gabriel & Sarah, I do not see another Gabriel in the County and of course he may have be born elsewhere before 1750.
Gabriel Little Baptism 21 Jan 1759
Prestbury, Gloucestershire, his parents married there in 1747.
If this is the correct Gabriel for the 1784 marriage in Beckford, he could not have married Mary in 1769 or had Susanna in 1771.
Colin
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Ancestry has the Bishop's Transcripts of Worcestershire parish registers, as mentioned above.
I was in Worcester this morning so checked the microfilm of the actual Halesowen Parish Register Volume 10. Prudence's baptism states that she was the "Daughter of Gabriel & Sarah Little". Not Littley as on the Bishop's Transcript)
The Bishop's Transcript actually shows Little as well but has been mistranscribed by Ancestry. The "Y" shown on the image is the old fashioned th with an e above it ie Little the 7th (looks like Little Ye 7th)
Simon
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DNA matches prove that it is the Littley/Parsons family I connect to.
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Hello, I am wondering if anyone has access to the original records for a baptism please. Prudence Little who was baptised on 7th June 1778 in Halesowen and Oldbury, Worcestershire according to the England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 on FindMyPast. I dont have the specific church sadly. Th parents are listed as Gabriso (Gabriel) and Sarah but I am hoping that Sarah has been mistranscribed, so to prove my theory the mother was called Mary.
If anyone also has access to the Staffordshire originals too I want to check her burial date - 24 Sep 1832 • St Michael's, Brierley Hill. Info taken from the National Burial Index For England & Wales. Wondering if the year may be wrong based off some other records I have seen.
Can anyone help?
I have looked up Halesowen Parish Registers under 1778 and on page 195, it actually says "Edge of page damaged." ? daughter of Gabriel and Sarah Little, baptised ye 7th June.
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Thats interesting, wonder if maybe a transcript was done which is where Prudences name has been found
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Is this the same Prudence?
County Worcestershire
Place (Links to more information) Dudley
Church name (Links to more information) St Thomas
Register type (Links to more information) Parish Register
Marriage date 24 Dec 1798
Groom forename Benjamin
Groom surname HADDLETON
Groom parish Dudley, Worcestershire
Groom condition bachelor
Bride forename Prudence
Bride surname LITTLEY
Bride parish Dudley, Worcestershire
Bride condition spinster
Witness1 John HINNASS
Witness2 J BOND
Notes Married by banns. The bride and witness 1 signed the register with an X.
Transcribed by Gareth Pritchard
File line number 974
Source: https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/6230f632f493fd30c02495d1/prudence-littley-benjamin-haddleton-marriage-worcestershire-dudley-1798-12-24?locale=en
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Yes, one in the same!
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DNA matches prove that it is the Littley/Parsons family I connect to.
Have you seen this tree on Ancestry?
Gabriel Littley Parsons Spouse Mary Muchall
Father Benjamin Littley Parsons
Mother Martha Harvey
Children
Samson Littley
Birth 1744 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Death 1827 Dudley, Staffordshire (Dudley is in Worcestershire)
I presume this is the death mentioned above on freereg?
Gabriel PARSONS Burial age 84 11 May 1827
Dudley : St Thomas : Unspecified Worcestershire
Also on Ancestry in Worcestershire Bishops Transcripts.
Gabriel Parsons about 1743
Burial 11 May 1827 Dudley
So I guess this is the baptism for the above but where did the name come from?
Gabriel Parsons
Baptism 25 Dec 1744 Rowley Regis, Worcestershire
Benjamin, Martha
These are the transcripts on Ancestry Gabriel, Mary Halesowen, Shropshire
Susanna Little Baptism 6 Feb 1771
Thomas Little Baptism 9 May 1773
Prudence Littley Baptism 7 Jun 1778 mother Sarah
Samson Littley Baptism 16 Apr 1786
Dudley, Worcestershire Gabriel, Mary
Attached to Sampson’s record above is this death on Ancestry, no age recorded but it is the one below.
PARSONS, SAMPSON age 3
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 367
However this is his death. Son of Gabriel & Mary (Freereg)
Samson LITTLEY Burial 19 Oct 1787
Dudley : St Thomas : Parish Register Worcestershire
Colin
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Thank your for that. I did not have the information about Samson. Perhaps I need to start using FreeReg as well, particularly with it being free!