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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Lodger on Tuesday 16 July 24 23:40 BST (UK)
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Since my first posting on this subject way back in 2011, I have, over the succeeding years, gathered quite a few new pictures and, unfortunately, lost one or two as well!
Here are the new additions and, at the end, the ones I have managed to make disappear from the files!
Moderator, please add a "sticky" to this new post in order to keep it at the top of the page next to the original one.
ADAM & CORBETT.
ADDIE & PYIUS.
ANDERSON & MORTON.
BAILLIE Thomas 1829.
BARR & DALZIEL.
BARR John 1847.
BELL William of Greenhead.
BLACK & MacLEAN.
BROWN & BROWNLIE.
BROWNLIE Thomas, Mark, Janet & George.
CAIRNS, PATERSON & McLEES.
CAMERON & BARRIE.
CARMICHAEL, WATT & McNAB.
CLEGHORN & MORRISON.
COCHRANE & BURTON.
CRAIG & PATERSON.
DALZIEL & NEILSON.
DOUGLAS James, farmer Thornlie.
ELDER of Shotts.
ELLAM, RAMAGE, DALZIEL, CALVIN & LAW.
FERGUSON Arthur.
FINLAY & McKINLAY.
FORREST & McCARTNEY.
FORREST & YOUNG.
FRAME, HAMILTON, ESSON, STEVENSON & CLARK.
GARDINER & RUSSELL (reverse of stone is GILMOUR & HEWITT).
GIBB, MARSHALL & FORREST, Crawfordjohn mill.
GIBB, WATT & SHANKS.
GIBSON, BARRIE, HENDERSON & ROBERTSON.
GILMOUR & HEWITT (reverse of GARDINER & RUSSELL).
GOURLEY & ANGUS. (Not AGUS as previously thought).
GRAHAM, DAVIDSON & STORRIE.
HAMILTON & COSSAR.
HAMILTON & SHANKS.
HAMILTON & STORRIE.
HAY & LOUDON.
HENDRY, GRAY & KING.
HILL & RUSSELL.
HISLOP & RUSSELL.
INGLIS & RUSSELL.
JACK & DICKIE.
JACK & ORR.
JACKSON, FINLAY & SMITH. (previously JACKSON Douglas).
KING & LIDDELL.
KING Rev John.
KIRKLAND, TOWERS, CLELAND & EASTON.
LANG & McLEAN.
LIGHTBODY, YETTS, BLACK & MacLEAN. (Previously LIGHTBODY & YETTS).
LINDSAY & ROBERTSON.
LITTLEJOHN & REID.
LOCKIE & WALLACE.
LOUDON & PETTIGREW.
LYLE & BROWNLIE.
McCALLUM, REA & MacKEE.
McCREDIE, CARENS, POLLOCK & McKENDRICK.
McCULLOCH & TURNER.
McHUTCHESON, NEILSON & WYLLIE. (Previously WYLIE, McHUTCHESON & NEILSON).
McLACHLAN, NAISMITH & BROWNLIE.
MILLAR & BROWNLIE.
MILLAR & YOUL.
MOFFAT & DOWNIE.
MONTGOMERIE & PETTIGREW.
MORTON & WEIR. (Previously MORTON James 1854).
MORTON, CUNNINGHAM & DALZIEL.
MORTON & LOUDON.
MORTON Thomas.
MUIR, LITHGOW & LAMB.
MUIRHEAD & FRASER.
MUIRHEAD & HASTIE.
NICOL & FRAME.
NICOL & GRAHAM.
PETTIGREW & BALLANTINE.
PETTIGREW & HAMILTON.
PETTIGREW & MORRISON.
PETTIGREW, SMELLIE, RUSSELL & VINNIE.
PRENTICE & REID.
REID & HAMILTON.
RENWICK, RUSSELL & BLACK.
ROBB & MUIR.
ROGER & SHIELDS.
SCOTT, LAIDLAW, HENDERSON, HAMILTON, BALLINGALL, BIRRELL & McDOWAL.
SCOTT Robert 1774.
SMELLIE & ADDIE.
SMITH & CALDERHEAD.
SMITH Findlay.
SMITH, MUIR, HIGGINS, HAMILTON, CAMERON & McMURRAY.
SMITH & RUSSELL.
SNEDDON & MALCOLM. Cambusnethan colliery. (Previously SNEDDON).
SNEDDON & WHARRIE.
SOMMERVILLE & PETTIGREW.
STEEL, CUNNINGHAM & STORRY, Sunnyside.
STEEL, SCOBIE, HAMILTON & MUIRE, Parish Registrars.
STEVENSON & GLOVER.
STODDART & HASTIE.
TAIT & CRAIK.
TAIT, THOMSON & RAE. (Previously TAIT & THOMSON).
TAYLOR & MILLAR.
TAYLOR, WALKER & BROWNLEE.
TUDHOPE, HAMILTON & NAISMITH.
TUDHOPE John, Kirknow.
WALLACE & PATERSON.
WATSON & COLTHART. (Previously WATSON & CATHCART).
WATSON & FINLAY.
WATT & PETTIGREW, Tarbrax.
WATT, STEWART & MILLER.
WILSON & SCOTT.
W.P. & M.F. 1791.
LOST PICTURES.
RANKIN.
REID & GARDNER.
TURNER & McCULLOCH.
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Interested in headstones for McEwan - my grandfather and grandmother are buried here (she was Mae Ogston) and they both died sometime early 1900's I believe.
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Hi harden, I don't have any stones with McEwan on them and no Ogston's in any of the records for Cambusnethan, as far into the 20th century as 1917 but, there are gaps around 1901 - 1904.
There are a few Ogston's in the Globe cemetery, Motherwell records but no Mae/Mary McEwan to match with them, sorry.
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HISLOP & RUSSELL
There's a request on findagrave for a Janet Russell Hislop.
Having done a bit of noseying, I know that her husband was Adam Hislop and several of their children are in the same lair.
I assume that your photo is for this family.
I'm happy to go take the photo and fulfil the request but I've had a look in the cemetery and couldn't find it.
I'd be grateful if you could give me a step for a hint here! e.g. post your photo here to give me an idea what the memorial looks like?
Thank you.
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The photograph was taken 13 years ago, so the actual stone may have been damaged or eroded since then. This picture is quite clear, so no need for me to add the transcription.
From the records for the churchyard (not the cemetery, that adjoins the churchyard) the plot (or lair) book only begins about 1878, so earlier interments are not recorded here but, some are included in the Day Book, this begins about 1861.
Plot Book records the owner, in Victorian times, as Adam Hislop. All the plots in Cambusnethan churchyard were divided up into 3 compartments, the North, the South and the Centre.
All dates are of interment.
In the South -
JANET HISLOP, aged 81 years, 21st January 1902.
In the Centre -
ADAM HISLOP, aged 79 years, 31st December 1891.
ADAM GUTHRIE, aged 8 days, 9th July 1892.
In the North -
- - - - - GUTHRIE, no age given (probably a still birth?) 24th May 1883.
JAMES HISLOP, aged 69 years, 26th June 1911.
Two entries from the gravediggers day book -
WILLIAM HYSLOP, blacksmith, Old Stane, aged 25 years, unmarried.
Parents - Adam Hyslop & Janet Russell.
Interred in the old churchyard on 28th May 1868.
JAMES HISLOP, retired school teacher, Glasgow, aged 69 years, unmarried.
Parents - Adam Hislop & Janet Russell.
Interred in the old churchyard, 26th June 1911.
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Lodger
Many thanks.
I'll go for a nosey soon - I now know roughly where to look.
Such a pity that the old churchyard is in a bit of a state.
Kenny
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Hi Kenny,
There are between 500 - 600 stones there but I think I know, more or less, where this one should be.
I live minutes away from the churchyard, so if you need any help I can meet you there.
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Hi Lodger
That's very kind of you to offer.
I'll have a nosy first. I'm reasonably familiar with the churchyard but if I get stuck, I'll give you a shout.
I'm in Hamilton, so not far for me.
Thank you again.
Kenny
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Hi Lodger
Found it, thanks to your photo.
Thanks again.
Kenny
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Hi Lodger
Since my first posting on this subject way back in 2011, I have, over the succeeding years, gathered quite a few new pictures and, unfortunately, lost one or two as well!
Here are the new additions and, at the end, the ones I have managed to make disappear from the files![/b]
I am researching the HENDRY, GRAY & KING family group which is included in your list.
Has anyone already asked about this? (I did a search but was unable to locate it, if so) I have Robert Hendry as the son of Robert and Ann (King), married to Margaret Gray (I was thinking she may have been the daughter of James Gray and Helen Swan but I am unable to corroborate this).
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks so much!
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Ard, here is the stone you asked for. Robert Hendry died 27th June 1879 aged 65 years. His wife Margaret Gray died 7th September 1892 aged 74 years. Their son John died 2nd December 1859 aged 2 years. Their daughter Ann King Hendry died 26th October 1942 aged 82 years.
Margaret Gray died in Edinburgh and is registered as Maggie Hendry, mother's maiden surname given as Swan. So you can have a look at the certificate. According to the free index on Scotlandspeople she died in the district of St Giles, so perhaps she was a patient at the Royal Infirmary, Edinburgh?
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Oh, that is excellent! Thanks so much. I didn't have any of that information.
So Margaret's parents must be James Gray and Helen Swan as I suspected. It's always fun when a hunch is confirmed ;-) Robert's parents Robert Hendry and Ann King. (in case anyone else is researching that family!)
Before John and Ann, Robert sr. and Margaret Gray had Robert King Hendry, James Gray Hendry, William Hendry (1853-1859), Helen S (Swan?) Hendry.
As always,
ard
PS I have now found Margaret's birth record - On Scotland's People, her mother's surname is transcribed as Levan!
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Hi Lodger
Could I possibly trouble you for the Steel Muirie Parish Registrars one. She was my fathers aunt.
Thank you and thank you for all the time you must spend just to help folks like me that are too far away to do it themselves. We appreciate it
Doolittle
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Hi Doolittle,
Sadly, that stone has been vandalised and is unrecognisable now. I only identified it because it is on the same plot as an older stone which is still upright and in good condition. The plot is, of course, a Steel(e) family plot.
The transcription was done in 1983 and is as follows -
"Thomas Steele, Registrar of Cambusnethan died 30th November 1894 aged 60 years. His wife Agnes Scobie died 13th December 1878 aged 40 years. Their son Thomas, Registrar of Cambusnethan, died 12th September 1938. His wife Rachel Murie Hamilton died 3rd August 1966 aged 100 years".
According to the Plot register, Rachel was interred on 5th August. Her husband Thomas was aged 75 when he died. It was a busy plot, if you want any more info about who is in there, let me know.
Lodger.
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Hi Lodger
I would be grateful for the contents of this grave, Rachel Murie Hamilton later Steel was my grandfathers cousin. As a child her father John was killed along with his brother-in-law, George Nisbet in the Blantyre Pit disaster of 1877. She was the eldest child of the family and opted to stay in Lanarkshire whilst the rest of her family emigrated to USA. She was a frequent visitor to USA until the death of her mother, Elizabeth Burt Nisbet later Hamilton in 1906.
I have quite a few names in common with you such as Binnie in Muiravonside, Liddle or Little in Polmont.
Doolittle
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Hi Doolittle, sorry for the delay in getting back to you.
Here's a transcript of the plot book you asked for. Like all plots in the old churchyard at Cambusnethan, it is divided into 3 lairs/compartments. North, South & Centre.
Please remember that this Plot Book only begins in the mid-1870s. There will be many more in there before then. all dates are of interment.
In the South -
MARGARET HARRISON, aged 26 years. 28th December 1887.
In the Centre -
THOMAS STEEL, aged 60 years. 3rd December 1894.
In the North -
JOHN WYLIE, aged 44 years. 30th December 1881.
THOMAS HARRISON, aged 2 weeks. 14th September 1885.
ROBERT HARRISON, aged 2 months. 22nd October 1885.
THOMAS STEEL, aged 75 years. 14th September 1939.
RACHEL STEELE, aged 100 years. 5th August 1966.
The registered owners, in Victorian times, were Thomas Steel & Margaret Haddow.
Would Rachel's father have been John Hamilton, aged 32 years when he died in 1877? Parents names Andrew Hamilton & ??? Smellie.
Also, do these couples fit into your family?
John Hamilton and Elizabeth B. Nisbet?
Peter Nisbet and Jane Melville?
As for Liddells and Binnies, they are my direct ancestors, mainly from Muiravonside, Polmont and Slamannan (all in Stirlingshire). PM me if you think you have a link to them.
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Doolittle, just one more entry in the gravedigger's day book for that plot, probably not much use to you but, you never know, it may help someone else.
THOMAS STEELE, labourer, Wishaw, aged 66 years. Married.
Parents - Thomas Steele & Margaret Haddow.
Interred in the old churchyard on 12th January 1874.
It's good to find these entries as they are not in the Plot Register, which was only begun a couple of years after this.
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Hi Doolittle,
Thanks for the PM and, as promised, here are the Hamilton - Nisbet burials.
Firstly, five interments, all in the same family plot in what is called "The Private".
This is a walled burial ground situated immediately behind the old churchyard and it adjoins the new cemetery. It dates, as does the "new" cemetery, from about the end of 1860 and the records for it are excellent.
So, the following five are in plot Private 364. (All dates are of interment).
AGNES HAMILTON, housewife, Wishaw, aged 53 years, married.
Parents - John Smellie & Janet Martin.
13th July 1870.
AGNES S. HAMILTON, Wishaw, aged 19 months.
Parents - John Hamilton & Elizabeth B. Nisbet.
3rd May 1872.
JOHN HAMILTON, miner, Blantyre, aged 32 years, married.
Parents - Andrew Hamilton & - - - - - Smellie.
29th October 1877.
ELIZABETH N. HAMILTON, Blantyre, aged 2 years.
Parents - John Hamilton & Elizabeth B. Nisbet.
13th November 1877.
ANDREW HAMILTON, labourer, Motherwell Poorhouse, aged 77 years, widower.
Parents - James Hamilton & Agnes Wilson.
16th January 1895.
2 interments in plot D507 in the new cemetery -
JANET GIBB, Wishaw, aged 78 years, widow.
Parents - John Smellie & Janet Martin.
3rd August 1907.
JOHN S. GIBB, clerk of works, Wishaw, aged 71 years, married.
Parents - John Gibb & Susan Skinner.
27th June 1901.
Also, an infant daughter for this couple -
SUSAN GIBB, Wishaw, aged 9 months.
Parents - John Gibb & Janet Smellie.
Interred in the old churchyard, 22nd May 1861.
(She is probably in the Gibb family plot, there is a monumental inscription for this plot, with the Gibb & Skinner names but I'm guessing it's of no use to you?).
Lastly, two more interments in the new cemetery.
JOHN SMELLIE, grocer, Wishaw, aged 50 years, married.
Parents - John Smellie & Janet Martin.
Interred in Common Ground, 7th August 1865.
WILLIAM SMELLIE, coalpit bottomer, Wishaw, aged 75 years, married.
Parents - John Smellie & Janet Martin.
Interred in D340 20th February 1890.
Can you connect to the following couples?
Jeffery Nisbet and Jane Jardine.
Robert Nisbet and Rachel Murie.
Let me know if you can link to them.
Loder.
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Hi Lodger
Robert Nisbet and Rachel Murie are my gt gt grandparents.
Robert b 1814 was the son of William Nisbet and Catherine Paterson
Rachel b 1816 was the daughter of James Murie and Elizabeth Burt.
Rachel died between 1851 and 1853. Robert died in 1872 and is buried in Shotts.
The other couple are not of this family.
Doolittle
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Hi Doolittle,
Not much more I'm afraid but, every little helps! (I hope).
We've had the old churchyard, the new cemetery and the private walled burial ground.
Now we're at the ancient burial ground at the other end of Cambusnethan parish, at Kirkhill.
This was the site of the original parish church, founded in the 12th - 13th century. That church was abandoned about 1645 and a new one built at the village of Cambusnethan.
However, the burial ground surrounding the original church at Kirkhill was still used for interments of local farmers and workers from the estates of Lord Belhaven & Stenton at Wishaw House and Lockhart of Cambusnethan Priory.
Burials ceased there about 1955 and, although some medieval stones, as well as newer ones have survived, the place has been vandalised to the extreme. It is situated almost on the banks of the river Clyde and is only reached, on foot, by a dirt track.
JANET STRUTHERS, Wishaw, aged 74 years, widow.
Parents - Robert Nisbet & Rachel Murie.
Interred at Clyde burial ground, 10th May 1911.
WILLIAM STRUTHERS, Wishaw, aged 8 months.
Parents - James Struthers & Janet Nisbet.
clyde, 16th May 1878.
STILL BORN MALE STRUTHERS. Wishaw.
Parents - James Struthers & Janet Nisbet.
Clyde, 15th December 1879.
Struthers isn't too local to this area, more of a Borders name, from around Lockerbie, Ecclefechan and towards the English border. Perhaps he worked on one of the local estates or farms here?
Quite a few Nisbet burials in the Cambusnethan records who lived in Shotts, around Stane, Kingshill, Springhill and Torbothie.
Good luck!
Lodger
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Hi Lodger
Janet Nisbet who married William Struthers was an adopted daughter of Rachel and Robert Nisbet. I have never been able to find her origins. Janet and William Struthers also had three daughters. They lived in Kirk Road.
Doolittle
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Hi Doolittle,
Did Robert have a brother called John? Perhaps married to Jane/Janet Naismith?
A couple with these names are recorded in the Baptism Book for Wishawtown Relief Church.
JANET, 6th child of John Nisbet & Janet Naismith, born 8th August 1837.
JANET, 7th child of above. Born 19th June 1839.
JOHN, 8th child of above. Born 24th August 1841.
So, Janet, the 6th child died. Janet 7th child born June 1839, would match, roughly, the age of your Janet.
John, the 8th child, appears to have been the last, the baptism book finishes at 1863.
My guess is, the mother died sometime after the birth of the last child and the younger children were passed to relatives who could look after them. The father had to work and this was a normal thing to do. There wasn't any kind of official adoption here in Scotland at that time.
I've had a quick search on Scotlandspeople for a post - 1855 death for Jane/Janet/Jessie Naismith in Cambusnethan but no matches. She could, of course, have died elsewhere.
On checking the Baptism book again, I see their 5th child was WILLIAM, born 1835, address at that time was High Wishaw, this is Kirk Road area.
No other children recorded but the book only begins in 1831.
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Robert and Rachel married in 1833. They had a son James born in 1838 and they gave in the name of Janet at the same time. She had been born around 1834.
Doolittle
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Robert and Rachel married in 1833. They had a son James born in 1838 and they gave in the name of Janet at the same time. She had been born around 1834.
Doolittle
Hi Doolittle, where did you find this information?
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The information was on the Parish Register of Old Monkland 04/09/1834 Janet Nisbet Lochery.
This name was given in by Robt Nisbet collier Calderbraes & Rachel Murie. W Parish Airdrie.
Doolittle