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John Curran Baines was born in Liverpool in August 1884, the son of Richard Baines (Titanic crew - lost at sea 1912) and Saran Ann Baines (nee Curran).
New York Naturalization Records show John Curran Baines of 6 Fulton Street Liverpool emigrated from Southampton to America in 1905. The record shows his wife as Hannah (no surname/maiden name) born 10 July 1887 in Liverpool
The records suggest John and Hannah married prior to their emigration (in Liverpool?) but I cannot find a marriage record. I've tried various surname spellings with no luck.
Help please - for a marriage record
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Have you found a marriage on freebmd? I can't see one so they may have married in the USA.
Have you looked for them on a US census to check Hannah's nationality
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1727033
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1488411
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His 1924 US Naturalization Petitions record indicates wife Hannah was born in Liverpool.
An earlier Naturalizations record also gives her birthplace as Liverpool.
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Thanks for your help and although records support and suggest a marriage in Liverpool searches have drawn a blank.
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Have you found them together in any US or UK census records? Any death records for either?
Do you have JCB in any US Passenger records? There should be some, as the ship name is mentioned in his US Naturalization records.
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Marriages are Sept 1902.There. a bride missing!
Baines John Liverpool 8b 193
McArdle Bridget Liverpool 8b 193
McGroder Peter Liverpool 8b 193
McGuffie Edward Liverpool 8b 193
Morgan Catherine Liverpool 8b 193
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The 1902 entry married Catherine Morgan per www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
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Long shot, I’m trying to work off an iPhone and it’s hopeless. One of Johns declarations records Hannah with a dob 10.7.1887 born Liverpool. There is a birth of a Hannah Richardson with same dob, Liverpool, parents William and Louisa, occupation gas fitter, abode duke st
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The marriage of John's parents Richard and Sarah, was a Catholic marriage. Perhaps John and Hannah also had a Catholic marriage? Not sure if this is relevant for record purposes
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Location immaterial - would still be on the GRO index & there’s no marriage to a Hannah
I checked Scotlands People but no marriage in Scotland so I think they married in the USA
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Hopefully we'll have answers to Reply #4.
In the meantime, it's odd that Hannah's maiden name isn't on the Naturalization petition records.
Most US Naturalization records I've seen indicate the wife's maiden name. Perhaps they weren't married.
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Long shot, I’m trying to work off an iPhone and it’s hopeless. One of Johns declarations records Hannah with a dob 10.7.1887 born Liverpool. There is a birth of a Hannah Richardson with same dob, Liverpool, parents William and Louisa, occupation gas fitter, abode duke st
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Can anyone find this family later? I couldn’t when I looked earlier.
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Just a quick note to say many thanks to everyone for your interest and helpful replies. I've gone round in circles on Ancestry, Family Search, Lancashire OPC etc. but Hannah still remains a mystery.
One record was John Curran Baines 1884-1917 but even the latter date has not turned over the relevant stone ???
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There was a passenger list for an Annie Baines mentioned in a previous thread from years ago - https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=767843.msg6255143#msg6255143
The address to where she was going in Long Island City seems to fit her address in John's 1924 naturalization record, although apparently Hannah & John were living apart as of 1924. Looking at the image of the 1911 passenger list, it seems to say she was previously in the US from 1901-1907.
Maybe the marriage record is under Annie/Anna/Ann?
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New York Naturalization Records show John Curran Baines of 6 Fulton Street Liverpool emigrated from Southampton to America in 1905.
The record says 6 Fulton Street, New York City not Liverpool