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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Berkshire => Topic started by: Jules1 on Monday 15 July 24 23:45 BST (UK)
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Hi
Please can anyone help me as I have hit a brick wall.
I have a Richard Watts born/baptized on 24/09/1780 (in the Inkpen area of Berkshire) died 03/05/1851 in Inkpen.
He married a Sarah Rosier (Rosher) believed to be born/baptized 19/04/1789.
I believe Sarah's parents to be Robert Rosier and Sarah Coxhead.
However, the brick wall that I have hit, I have also found a Sarah Rosier from the same area born/baptized 19/08/1781 - parents are William and Ann Cross.
I can't find a death for Sarah Watts in the Hungerford District either but know it is after 1851 as she is with Richard in the 1851 census record.
The brick wall I have hit, is how do I definitively know which Sarah is the correct one and obviously which is the correct set of parents?
I've been stuck on this for a long time, so any help would be gratefully appreciated.
Many thank to anyone that can help me.
Jules
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They don't name any children Robert or Sarah. however they do have children William and Ann.
His parents are Francis and Ann.
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Possible? Age only as good as informant knowledge.
WATTS, SARAH age 72
GRO Reference: 1860 M Quarter in HUNGERFORD Volume 02C Page 183
Possible burial around 10 miles from Inkpen?
Sarah Watts
Death Date abt 1860
Burial Date 25 Feb 1860
Burial Place Lambourn, Berkshire, England
FHL Film Number 1040528
Reference ID item 7 p 68
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I'd just seen that one as well. Maybe when Sarah was widowed she went to live with one of the children. Did any go to Lambourn?
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We have two Sarah Rosier born within a few years of each other in Ramsbury. There is a Marriage of a Sarah Rosier in Ramsbury in 1813 to a William Alexander. She might be the other Sarah and you can eliminate her from your possible pair.
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1851 census
William and Sarah Alexander living in Mill Lane, Ham, Hungerford,
Piece number 1686, Folio 457, Page 30
Sarah is born Ramsbury abt 1789
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hi
can you confirm sarahs birth you say 1789 but the 1851 census says abt 1779 born Ramsbury, Wiltshire, England
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I think the 1789 Sarah married William Alexander in Ramsbury and the 1781 Sarah married Richard Watts in Inkpen. The ages on census seem to match better
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I think the 1789 Sarah married William Alexander in Ramsbury and the 1781 Sarah married Richard Watts in Inkpen. The ages on census seem to match better
I would agree.
The 1813 marriage in Ramsbury has a witness Phoebe Rosier - maybe possible sister?
Name Phebe Rasier
Event Type Baptism
Baptism Date 5 Feb 1792
Baptism Place Ramsbury, Wiltshire, England
Father William Rasier
Mother Ann Rasier
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But this would make Phoebe the sister of the 1781 Sarah not the 1789 one , wouldn't it - or am I really confused?
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But this would make Phoebe the sister of the 1781 Sarah not the 1789 one , wouldn't it - or am I really confused?
It is really confusing. If Phoebe is a sister witnessing the Alexander wedding then it looks likely that those parents are William & Ann.
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Not checked the 1789 bapt.
But a 1804 marriage in Inkpen would make this Sarah age 16. Not impossible. (If it is the one born 1789)
Maybe DNA testing would help the OP
Amended - confusing marriages.
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I suggest getting a copy of the 1860 death certificate to see who reported the death, usually a family member.
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Not sure if it makes much difference but when Job Rosier married Lizzie Skinner 28 November 1818
the witness was William Rosier -probably his brother.
They could both write their name, whereas Phebe and Sarah could not (1813) or do you think the boys were taught to write and not the girls?.
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Hi everyone
Thank you for all of your messages.
I've managed to find the baptism record for both Sarahs.
The one baptized on the 19/4/1789 - the parents are Robert and Sarah (Coxhead) in Ramsbury.
The one baptized on the 19/8/1781 - the parents are William and Ann (Cross) in Ramsbury.
In the 1851 census Sarah and Richard Watts, it states that Sarah is from Ramsbury (they were living in Inkpen at the time of the census records (not far from Ramsbury though, as Ramsbury is on the Wiltshire/Hampshire border.
As it was stated in one of the comments if it was Sarah born 1789 she was only 16 when married, but if it was Sarah born 1781 she would have been 23/24.
I've confused myself now but did someone mention the Sarah born 1789 married a William Alexander - so then I can rule that one out and it is most likely that Sarah born 1781 is the one I should have in my tree with parents named William and Ann?
I think I had gone down the wrong line, as I had the wrong Sarah in my tree, but something was niggling me to say it wasn't right, hence my post.
I've also just downloaded the death certificate for Sarah Rosier who died in 1860 - this is not my Sarah as it says the widow of Caleb Watts. However, The Sarah in my tree was married to a Richard Watts - that is the marriage in Inkpen in 1804 - that is 100% correct.
I don't have a Caleb Watts in my tree, so I am even more confused now.
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A Caleb Watts was buried in Lambourn in 1846, bapt 1764. Possibly married Sarah Patridge at Kingdclere in 1815. There is another Caleb Watts marriage in Lambourn in 1801 to Elizabeth Woodley, maybe 1815 marriage was 2nd marriage of the same Caleb
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Thank you - that is another problem solved then.
That is the death of the Sarah Watts 1860 then, so can definitely rule that one out of my tree.
Thanks for all of your help with this, hugely appreciated.
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Sarah 1781 who married William Alexander 1813 would have been about 32 at the time.
Witness is sister Phebe.
John Rosier married Amelia Smith 1815 witness is brother Job.
Job married Lizzie Skinner 1818 witness is William either father or brother.
Anne Married Henry Collington 1808 witness is William either father or brother.
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William Rosier senior wrote a will 1833 he says he is Sexton of Ramsbury, it is not useful as he names his wife Ann and oldest son Henry.
Probate is granted 24 August 1835 to Henry the surviving executor.
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As Sexton it was probably the father who signed the marriages.
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William Rosier widower(this must be Junior) marries Elizabeth Angel 8 April 1820 witness brother Job.
Henry married 1st Sarah Smith 1804 and then Elizabeth Toe 1818 witness is William Rosier.
Based on the fact that witnesses are relatives that your Sarah is the one bap 1789.
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Robert Rosier widower marries Hannah Alexander widow in April 1797. So his wife Sarah has died.
Perhaps his daughter Sarah married as soon as she could.
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Sarah Rosier was buried 8 January 1796 married woman at Ramsbury, spouse Robert.
Ref. ancestry
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Now I'm really confused.
The William & Ann that I now thought were the correct parents of Sarah Rosier born 1781 - and the Will that you mention - his wife was Ann and they did have a son Henry.
I noticed Pheobe and Job as their children together with an Ann, Jane, Elizabeth, William.
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Children I found of William Rosier and Ann nee Cross all at Ramsbury.
Henry 1780
Sarah 1781
Anne 1783
Jane 1784 died 1784
Elizabeth 1786
William 1787
John 1790
Phebe 1792
Job 1796
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I went back one more generation on the Rosier family, I think Robert married Sarah and William married Ann are brothers.
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Robert Rosier married Elizabeth Lay 16 December 1756 at Ramsbury
William bap 12 June 1757
Robert bap 1 July 1759
Elizabeth bap 15 February 1761
Phillip bap 9 January 1763 -- buried 19 January 1763
Phillip bap 15 January 1764 -- buried 28 September 1764
Hester bap 5 May 1765 -- buried 23 June 1765 as Esther
Mary bap 6 July 1766
John bap 14 May 1769 (twin)
Jane bap 14 May 1769 (twin)
George bap 16 February 1772
Joseph bap 10 April 1774 buried 22 March 1795
Elizabeth wife of Robert was buried 20 July 1795
Possible for Robert buried 3 December 1802 Sexton at Ramsbury.
It's probable that William being his eldest son took over the job of Sexton to the Church.
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Sarah 1781 who married William Alexander 1813 would have been about 32 at the time.
Witness is sister Phebe.
But in 1851, Sarah Alexander nee Rosier is b abt 1789 see reply #3
Maybe she asked her cousin Phebe to be witness
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Possible I'm sure.
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Thanks everyone
I think I have it correct now, thanks to all of your help.
My Sarah (born 1781) married Richard Watts. Sarah's parents were William & Ann.
The other Sarah (1789) married William Alexander. Sarah's parents were Robert & Sarah.
William & Robert were brothers - their parents Robert Rosier senior married Elizabeth Lay.
The original Sarah that I had is the cousin of my Sarah. Her father is the uncle of my Sarah.
So all in all, I had the correct family but had the parents mixed up.
I couldn't have cracked this without your help, much appreciated as I'd been stuck for ages.
All the best
Jules