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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Breconshire => Topic started by: kerryb on Sunday 14 July 24 20:42 BST (UK)
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My first post in Wales!
I have received a marriage certificate for Frederick Haywood who in August 1888 married Evelyn Morgan at the Danycastle Methodist Chapel in Crickhowell. He was 27, an Ordnance Surveyor and his father was Richard Haywood, a Forgeman. That is the only record I can find for him. He does not appear with his family in subsequent census records, his wife is married on census returns until the 1911 census when she declares herself a widow. She always is either in the same household or next door to her parents.
Frederick, Ordnance Surveyor is named on the marriage certificate for his son Ewart in 1923 but is deceased. I've not found his death. I am yet to look at the other children but they are all called Haywood on census records.
Does anyone have any theories or direction as to where I might find records for the Danycastle (Danycastell) Methodist Chapel. I suspect that he might have been baptised there.
Thank you
Kerry
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https://archives.library.wales/index.php/cma-records-of-danycastell-calvinistic-methodist-church-crickhowell-2
national Library of Wales holds some papers - looks to be the admin not the registers.
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Thanks Mabel, yes admin papers.
I think I might have solved some of the mystery. I have just found a Frederick born in Newcastle under Lyme, Staffs, no father and his grandfather was Richard and was a coalminer (link with South wales possibly). Needs more looking into. Especially as on Ancestry there is a Lunacy Register entry in Monmouthshire which may indicate why he wasn't in the home. Again needs more looking into.
Kerry
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The Frederick in the lunacy registered died in November 1901 - death reg suggests born c1858
Found him on 1901 as F A Haywood b c1853. Married. Occupation unknown, place of birth unknown. Spoke English
Do you know who witnessed his marriage to Evelyn?
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Frederick's death notice attached.
Address is the same as the family is living in on the 1901 census.
Queenie :)
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Frederick's death notice attached.
Address is the same as the family is living in on the 1901 census.
Queenie :)
Oh well done Queenie, I think we’ve cracked it. Thank you. I recognised the address. Now to dig further.
Kerry
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Just want to mention this although it might be a red herring:
Abergavenny Board Of Guardians Workhouse
Admission and discharge book for casual paupers
Admission date: 24 Mar 1878
Frederick Haywood (age 17) labourer
Where he slept last night: Pontypool
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Just want to mention this although it might be a red herring:
Abergavenny Board Of Guardians Workhouse
Admission and discharge book for casual paupers
Admission date: 24 Mar 1878
Frederick Haywood (age 17) labourer
Where he slept last night: Pontypool
Definitely worth keeping a note of. Thank you. I need to go and look at a map and learn Wales!
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Do you have Frederick in the 1891 census?
Also, who were the 1888 marriage witnesses?
As regards the 1878 workhouse record: labourers can be in the employ of Ordnance Surveyors.
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So close...and yet so far. I found a man passing himself off as an Ordnance Surveyor in 1888 in Wales.
Using all sorts of aliases, as well. However, his age in 1888 was given as 45-50 years old.
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Do you have Frederick in the 1891 census?
Also, who were the 1888 marriage witnesses?
As regards the 1878 workhouse record: labourers can be in the employ of Ordnance Surveyors.
No don’t have Frederick on any census returns at all.
The witnesses were William Thomas Morgan, Evelyn’s brother I believe but I’ve turned my laptop off now so can’t check and an Annie Vaughan, not come across her before.
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Does the 1888 marriage record have an address for Frederick?
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Does the 1888 marriage record have an address for Frederick?
It’s the same for both of them - Crickhowell.
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Would be interesting to know what his occupation is on the children's birth certs.
Rather odd that he's not with the family in 1891.
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Would be interesting to know what his occupation is on the children's birth certs.
Rather odd that he's not with the family in 1891.
I've just bought 3 of them, oh the joys of digital images:
Ewart Gladstone 1889 - Ordnance Surveyor - 9 Llanbedr Road
Dorothy Laura 1895 - Ordnance Surveyor - 8 Llanbedr Road
Mabel Annetta 1897 - Ordnance Surveyor - Llanbedr Road but no number
Kerry
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Frederick's death notice attached.
Address is the same as the family is living in on the 1901 census.
Queenie :)
Hi Queenie
Whereabouts did you find the notice of Frederick's death please?
Kerry
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Welsh newspapers
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4121362/4121370/112/haywood
An E G Haywood, age 23, occpn. mason sailed for Wellington, New Zealand on 27 Sep 1912
The newspaper clipping re. the death of F A Haywood is from the Abergavenny Chronicle, 8 Nov 1901.
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Welsh newspapers
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4121362/4121370/112/haywood
An E G Haywood, age 23, occpn. mason sailed for Wellington, New Zealand on 27 Sep 1912
The newspaper clipping re. the death of F A Haywood is from the Abergavenny Chronicle, 8 Nov 1901.
Thank you, I will find the newspaper clipping. I ordered the death certificate this morning. He died of Paralysis of the Insane, how sad! It was definitely him as the address is the same address of his wife and children.
Kerry
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I ordered the death certificate this morning. He died of Paralysis of the Insane, how sad! It was definitely him as the address is the same address of his wife and children.
Did the death certificate happen to include his middle name? Or was it still just 'A'? I wonder if his patient record (assuming there is one) would shed any light on the situation. The hospital records are stored at the Gwent Archives.
Queenie :)
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I ordered the death certificate this morning. He died of Paralysis of the Insane, how sad! It was definitely him as the address is the same address of his wife and children.
Did the death certificate happen to include his middle name? Or was it still just 'A'? I wonder if his patient record (assuming there is one) would shed any light on the situation. The hospital records are stored at the Gwent Archives.
Queenie :)
No sadly it was Frederick A
Kerry :)
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Welsh newspapers
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4121362/4121370/112/haywood
An E G Haywood, age 23, occpn. mason sailed for Wellington, New Zealand on 27 Sep 1912
The newspaper clipping re. the death of F A Haywood is from the Abergavenny Chronicle, 8 Nov 1901.
That's odd. I can't find the Abergavenny Chronicle on the site for 1901 at all !
EG Haywood had a short visit home in 1915 after being part of the New Zealand force which captured Samoa from its German colonists
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The Abergavenny Chronicle on Welsh newspapers does not cover the date 8 Nov 1901 - see BNA/FindMyPast
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Welsh newspapers
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4121362/4121370/112/haywood
An E G Haywood, age 23, occpn. mason sailed for Wellington, New Zealand on 27 Sep 1912
The newspaper clipping re. the death of F A Haywood is from the Abergavenny Chronicle, 8 Nov 1901.
That's odd. I can't find the Abergavenny Chronicle on the site for 1901 at all !
EG Haywood had a short visit home in 1915 after being part of the New Zealand force which captured Samoa from its German colonists
That appears to be Ewart Gladstone, Frederick’s son. He was in the territorial army and I found mention of his trip to New Zealand on his attestation papers. He was eventually discharged because of varicose veins!
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The Abergavenny Chronicle on Welsh newspapers does not cover the date 8 Nov 1901 - see BNA/FindMyPast
I found it on Findmypast, my go to newspaper archive. Thank you.
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Thanks. I'd misread a previous message as saying the death notice was on the Welsh Newspapers Archive
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Welsh newspapers
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4121362/4121370/112/haywood
An E G Haywood, age 23, occpn. mason sailed for Wellington, New Zealand on 27 Sep 1912
The newspaper clipping re. the death of F A Haywood is from the Abergavenny Chronicle, 8 Nov 1901.
That's odd. I can't find the Abergavenny Chronicle on the site for 1901 at all !
EG Haywood had a short visit home in 1915 after being part of the New Zealand force which captured Samoa from its German colonists
That appears to be Ewart Gladstone, Frederick’s son. He was in the territorial army and I found mention of his trip to New Zealand on his attestation papers. He was eventually discharged because of varicose veins!
That's him - found a couple of items on NZ newspapers
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers
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Welsh newspapers
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4121362/4121370/112/haywood
An E G Haywood, age 23, occpn. mason sailed for Wellington, New Zealand on 27 Sep 1912
The newspaper clipping re. the death of F A Haywood is from the Abergavenny Chronicle, 8 Nov 1901.
That's odd. I can't find the Abergavenny Chronicle on the site for 1901 at all !
EG Haywood had a short visit home in 1915 after being part of the New Zealand force which captured Samoa from its German colonists
That appears to be Ewart Gladstone, Frederick’s son. He was in the territorial army and I found mention of his trip to New Zealand on his attestation papers. He was eventually discharged because of varicose veins!
That's him - found a couple of items on NZ newspapers
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers
You'll have to be a bit more specific because I couldn't find anything for Ewart Haywood between 1912 and 1918 when he was there??
Thanks
Kerry
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Apologies - I searched under E G Haywood - couple of items about Samoa campaign
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Sept 1912 - Ewart departed London for Wellington, NZ. Occupation: Mason.
New Zealand WW1 Soldiers
Ewart G Haywood
Service number 4/304
Rank/Regiment Sapper, Field Engineers
Body of Draft Samoan Adv
Last address Leviathan Hotel Manners St Wellington
Next of kin Mrs E Haywood 9 Llanbeder Rd Crickhowell South Wales
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Apologies - I searched under E G Haywood - couple of items about Samoa campaign
Thank you, I didn't think about initials only. I think I need to stop for lunch, my brain is dying!
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Wow thank you very much, that is really interesting stuff. I need to read up about it!
Kerry
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Sept 1912 - Ewart departed London for Wellington, NZ. Occupation: Mason.
New Zealand WW1 Soldiers
Ewart G Haywood
Service number 4/304
Rank/Regiment Sapper, Field Engineers
Body of Draft Samoan Adv
Last address Leviathan Hotel Manners St Wellington
Next of kin Mrs E Haywood 9 Llanbeder Rd Crickhowell South Wales
Thanks Ashtone, I downloaded some discharge papers from Ancestry with all those details on it. I wonder why on earth he went to New Zealand though. Interesting!
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I wonder why on earth he went to New Zealand though.
According to the 1912 Passenger record his intended county of permanent residence was NZ.