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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Gussey2024 on Monday 08 July 24 12:11 BST (UK)
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I am trying to trace my ancestry, but I have no idea where to start. I found a post on this forum back in 2011 where I believe my Aunty was asking for some information, but never really got anywhere.
All I know is my Great x 3 Grandfather Antonio was born in Naples, Italy, in 1841, and married Mary Jane Moore in New Zealand. The story we have been told is that told he changed his last name from Gussette to Gussy (Gussey, Gusei), but where & when this occurred, I do not know. Any idea's if there would be records available for name changes? I believe this could be the best approach in trying to confirm what our actual family name is, and how our family lineage links back to Italy.
Thanks in advance for any help / assistance that is provided
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Here is a link to the post previously made about this.
(It's always a good idea to do this so that people don't spend time going over the same ground again)
You say your aunt 'never really got anywhere' with this research.
There were several leads in the help that people gave in this post to be followed up.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=505690.0
Have you got the marriage certificate of Antonio Gusei and Mary Jane Moore in New Zealand in 1865 as suggested by spades in that previous post?
What other information does it give?
You can send for the certificate here.
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search?Path=querySubmit.m%3fReportName%3dMarriageSearch%26recordsPP%3d30#SearchResults
Have you got the death certificate for Anthony Gussy who died June 3rd 1888? Found by minniehaha.
What other information does that give?
findagrave have an index for him, but no photo of the grave.
Plot Roman Catholic Division A, Row 2, Plot 13
This is the entry of his burial from The Roman Catholic Interments.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9P1-Y9SV-2?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQ2SB-LWK7&action=view
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It took me a little sleuthing!, but this is his burial record where you can send for his death certificate.
Nothing comes up on the nzbmd site for Anthony Gussey, or permutations of his name.
It is under 'Bussy' (mistranscribed I suspect from the original handwriting)
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search?Path=querySubmit.m%3fReportName%3dDeathSearch%26recordsPP%3d30#SearchResults
(Searched on familysearch.org for the death of an Anthony in 1888. Left out the surname).
This may or may not give you some information, it all depends on how much the informant of his death knew about him.
This, and the marriage certificate, are your first lines of possible information.
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His death notice in the papers
As Lucy2 said in the other post:
It does seem quite likely that his name change came about, simply, by "common usage", (perfectly legal) - rather than by the formal naturalisation process.
[I've checked through NZ Naturalisation records using variations of the surname (and just using the christian name too) ... and wasn't able to find anything.]
As for spelling variations arising in use of adopted surname > these are probably just the usual errors which occurred with an unusual name.'
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Nothing comes up on the nzbmd site for Anthony Gussey, or permutations of his name.
(Searched on familysearch.org for the death of an Anthony in 1888. Left out the surname).
Goldie61 - if you put a 'full stop' '.' on it's own, not in quotes in the surname field on the NZBDM site it acts as a wildcard for the surname.
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Hi Gussey, and welcome to RootsChat :)
I'll just move this topic across to the main New Zealand Board where more people will see it and hopefully provide more information.
Regards,
Spades
Moderator, New Zealand Board
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Nothing comes up on the nzbmd site for Anthony Gussey, or permutations of his name.
(Searched on familysearch.org for the death of an Anthony in 1888. Left out the surname).
Goldie61 - if you put a 'full stop' '.' on it's own, not in quotes in the surname field on the NZBDM site it acts as a wildcard for the surname.
That's useful to know mckha :)
Although I'm in NZ, I don't do a lot of NZ research so not found all the little tricks round the NZ site.
Thank goodness for familysearch!
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Thank you all so much for the information shared/found so far. This will go a long way in getting the Ball rolling.
goldie61 When I said my aunt "never really got anywhere" I meant this relation to the end goal and did not mean any disrespect to all the people who provided leads in the original post. I found the Burial details posted by minniehaha in the original post I have been to Waikumete Cemetary and found Antonio Plot. There is no gravestone there so I will work through that with the wider family. I have also found the plots for several other family members all at Waikumete Cemetery. I will order the death certificate, and Marriage certificate, hopefully they will provide some valuable insight
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I will order the death certificate, and Marriage certificate, hopefully they will provide some valuable insight
Hello Gussey2024 ... welcome to RootsChat. :)
I just wanted to add additional information for you regarding ordering / purchasing, New Zealand Birth, Death and Marriage records.
Whilst earlier replies have talked about obtaining birth/death/marriage certificates, we generally advise (here on the NZ board), that purchasing the "printout" version of these records, is a preferable option, in that they generally carry more information (- being a facsimile of the actual record, rather than details which have been transcribed to make up a certificate format).
In the case of an 1865 NZ marriage record, unfortunately there won't be a great deal of information.
[ Parental details did not appear on NZ marriage records until late in 1880. ]
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/timeline
At following link, are details of the type (amount) of information you can expect to find on NZ BDM records over the years.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=259108.0
~ Lu
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Thanks Lucy2. It definitely sounds like the death certificate might be the best approach in the first instance. Hopefully, as Antonio's death was after 1876 it will list the Name of father, and Name and maiden surname of mother.
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It definitely sounds like the death certificate might be the best approach in the first instance.
Yes ... but don't order the certificate ... it's the "printout" record of the death which is going to contain the best available information.
[When you come to order, the NZ BDM website will give you the options "Printout" or certificate. The "Printout" is actually cheaper to purchase, also. ;) ]
~ Lu
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It is under 'Bussy' (mistranscribed I suspect from the original handwriting)
Unfortunately I don't think this is correct, as when I went to order the Death Printout I noticed the date recorded as Death printout from 1 Jan 1875
I think the name Anthony Bussy must have been pure coincidence or am I showing how new I am to this research thing and this actually means from 1 Jan 1875 onwards?
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Hi again Gussey2024
Not sure if you are familiar with the Ancestry.com website where a great many people post their family trees ???
At that site there are a total of 47 trees which include information on the "Antonio (Anthony) (GUSSETTE) GUSSY" family. [ Additionally, there's a further group of trees totalling 36 for same family. They may be repetitious of the other group of 47 ??? - I haven't checked them. ]
What this means is that others have already "researched" (OR simply copied the info), of the wider Antonio GUSSY family.
It's always wise to be cautious of the information these trees contain - many don't give the sources of their findings.
~ Lu
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It is under 'Bussy' (mistranscribed I suspect from the original handwriting)
Unfortunately I don't think this is correct, as when I went to order the Death Printout I noticed the date recorded as Death printout from 1 Jan 1875
I think the name Anthony Bussy must have been pure coincidence or am I showing how new I am to this research thing and this actually means from 1 Jan 1875 onwards?
It means "from 1 January 1875 onwards". And the surname appears to be a mis-transcription.
But if you want to make absolutely certain before ordering, you can check "the actual date of death"
which pertains to that reference number. Here's how it is done >
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=745785.0
But I've already worked it out for you ;D
1888/2003 - BUSSY - Anthony - 47 years
Date of Death - as deduced from this NZ BDM record - is 03 June 1888
Think I saw somewhere ... PapersPast site ?? ... the actual death notice for Anthony GUSSY ... * husband of Mary Jane ... died at Auckland on 3 June 1888.:
~ Lu
Edit : * Death notice did not mention wife's name I've since found.
Tip: ;D If you're ever unsure of anything when ordering records, NZ BDM are usually happy to help if you email them.
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Thanks so much!! I really appreciate it. I have now ordered the Death Certificate, so fingers crossed!!
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I have received the death printout. Unfortunately there is no additional information on it. The parents name fields were blank :(
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I have received the death printout. Unfortunately there is no additional information on it. The parents name fields were blank :(
Oh dear! That's a shame.
Does it say who the informant was?
Back to the drawing board!
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Does anyone have any idea how to order a birth certificate from Italy, and obviously how one would navigate the Italian language?
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https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Italy_Genealogy
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mckha489...Not any help for this post, but this post has helped me.
I never realised there was a "Wildcard" option for NZBDM and have now been able to find a couple of missing/misspelt people I have been hunting for.
Thank you
HeatherR
"Goldie61 - if you put a 'full stop' '.' on it's own, not in quotes in the surname field on the NZBDM site it acts as a wildcard for the surname."
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Thanks Hettyhen,
You're reminded me to create a separate topic for this research tip.
Thanks very much for the information, Mckha :) :)
Regards,
Spades