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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: chrissiecruiser on Sunday 07 July 24 05:30 BST (UK)
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Hello Rootschatters.
After meeting two cousins (who are also delving into our ancestors), for the first time this year, I became interested again in Margaret Rebecca Daniels, who was born in Yorkshire (we think) in 1838.
She married William Bisset 19 April 1858 at Port Lincoln, South Australia.
William died in 1864 and she remarried 3 May 1870 to John Fitzgerald, 1827-1901.
On 19 September 1878 she was admitted to the Adelaide Hospital.
She was discharged 29 September 1878.
According to the Hospital Record she had been in the colony for 20 years and had arrived on the "Red Jacket".
I cannot find her on any lists.
Can any one please point me to the right direction?
Thankyou
Chris
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I see on ancestry Adelaide Hospital Admission records that she died 21 Nov 1878. There is a funeral notice in the South Australian Advertiser 22.11.1878 however it does not give much information
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/73072059?searchTerm=fitzgerald
ancestry tree
Departure 20 Nov 1857 • Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Age 20 —Arrival
28 Jan 1858 • Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Aboard 'Red Jacket' On the hospital admission before her death it says she came on the 'Red Jacket' aged 20 years
Cass
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I can't see a passenger list, however the Red Jacket arrived at Port Phillip (not Sydney) on 29 January 1858 after a 68 day passage. 450 "intermediate passengers".
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/87978479
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Ancestry has the Red Jacket arriving 9th Feb 1858 Melbourne.
There are 23 women named Margt.
None of them surnamed Daniels.
There are 2 people surnamed DANIEL. Joseph b. 1828 and Mary b.1829 .
Modify.
4 females are named Rebecca.
Surnames
Munn
Willock
Jones x2
Willock was born 1838. She is Irish. a spinster.
Sue
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I have found a record that is possibly her:
She arrived on the Saphire in 1846 in Tasmania and then went to Sydney.
If this isn't her I can't find any arrival yet for the time line on another ship.
Let me know if you have an ancestry account if not I can upload an image for you.
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Thankyou Cass, Maddy and Sparrett...at least you found some!
I'm not following Trove very well.
One Day, you are a gem!!!!
Yes I do have an Ancestry account, however I have not been able to locate it yet.
Where did you find it?
Chris
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It may not be her yet. I have found a Margaret Daniels on the ship "Saphire". It arrived in Tasmania in 1846
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OK Oneday, where to from here?
Is there any info with her passage?
ie family?
Would the Red Jacket have travelled later on via Tassie?
And, would there be a record?
So many questions.
Thankyou.
Chris
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If you have ancestry it's freely available. If not let me know and I will organise a copy.
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https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/21929:60754?tid=&pid=&queryId=7b1bae01-9e15-427d-9737-8124661a0e36&_phsrc=zvU1&_phstart=successSource
There is a Thos. Daniels immediately above her.
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I have found a record that is possibly her:
She arrived on the Saphire in 1846 in Tasmania and then went to Sydney.
If this isn't her I can't find any arrival yet for the time line on another ship.
Let me know if you have an ancestry account if not I can upload an image for you.
What makes you think that a Margaret Daniels who would be a child if your date of birth is accurate, would arrive per "Sapphire" ? and then state, on a hospital record, that she arrived per "Red Jacket"?
Sue
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Hi Sue,
Thankyou for your help.
I was thinking-dangerous I know!!!
That she arrived Tas in 1856, came to South Australia in 1858, married William Bissett in April 1858. Then John Fitzgerald in Norwood, SA 1870.
Then when she was admitted to hospital in Sept 1878 hospital records said she had been in the colony for 20 years.
This is why I wondered if the "Red Jacket" could have come via Tas?
Could she have been on board if it did?
I need to look into her family more as I don't know if maybe she had a brother called Thomas.. Her Grandfather was Thomas.
Thanks again
Cheers,
Chris
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Just to clear it up, the Saphire arrived in 1846, I think you are getting your decades mixed up.
Debra :)
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Thanks Debra!!!
My bad :o :-\
Oh well, begin again.
Never mind, as my dad would say.
Margaret Rebecca Daniels is a mystery.
My cousin thought originally that she came from Scotland, but travelled there to trace the family and disproved that.
Yorkshire has not been proven.
Hence my query here.
I thought that the ship was a good clue. More investigation required.
Dearie me.
Chris
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The hospital admission record gives her place of birth as Bristol and she was Roman Catholic.
A possibility is this Margaret in 1841 and 1851 with her family. The surname jumps around with many variations similar to McDONNEL, McDANIEL, DONNELL, DANIEL etc.
1841
Michael Daniel, 40, Labourer
Bridget Daniel, 40
Mary Daniel, 12
Margaret Daniel, 5
William Daniel, 4 Mo
Michael and Bridget born in Ireland, the children in Gloucestershire
(Piece: 378; Book: 11 Folio: 18 Page number: 31)
1851
Bridget Donils, 50
Mary Donils, 21
Margaret Donils, 17
William Donils, 12
Joseph Donils, 3
Bridget is a widow.
(Piece: 1954; Folio: 685; Page number: 29)
Perhaps Margaret couldn't remember or didn't know her father's name and gave her brother instead when she married.
Michael DANIEL and Bridget (Birgitta) MEINAN were married in Bristol 3 July 1836.
I don't know what is going on with Bridget's maiden surname after 1833, I am just the messenger ;D
Baptisms at RC church, Colston Avenue, St Mary-on-the-Quay
Patrick DONNELL born 17 May 1829, parents Michael and Bridget (MEANY)
Maria McDONNELL born 12 Jan 1831, parents Michael and Bridget (MEINAN)
John McDONNELL born 6 August 1833, parents Michael and Bridget (no maiden surname)
Margaret DONNELL born 6 April 1836, parents Michael and Bridget (CONNELL)
Michael DANIEL, born 22 Aug 1838, parents Michael and Bridget (DANIEL)
William DANIEL, born 24 Jan 1841, parents Michael and Bridget (CONNOR)
Michael Joseph McDONEL baptised 23 May 1847, parents Michael and Bridget (no maiden surname)
The last three were were born after civil registration.
MCDANIEL, MICHAEL
Mother's maiden surname: MINEHEN
GRO Reference: 1838 S Quarter in THE CLIFTON UNION Volume 11 Page 281
DANIEL, WILLIAM
Mother's maiden surname: MINNAHAN
GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in THE CLIFTON UNION Volume 11 Page 299
MCDANIEL, MICHAEL
Mother's maiden surname: MINAHAN
GRO Reference: 1847 J Quarter in THE CLIFTON UNION Volume 11 Page 282
I don't know, might be worth a look for her siblings?
Debra :)
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Thankyou so much Debra...
And I thought my German ancestors were a problem with names!
Well, this puts a different slant on things!
Very kind of you to persue this for me.
I am in South Australia and my cousins are in Queensland and New South Wales, so we really are not au fait with chasing different areas up in England.
I will contacr them with your suggestions.
Cheers,
Chris
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Is this your family?
From Ancestry tree -
1858 Margaret DANIELS m. William BISSETT
1859 William BISSETT born
1862 George Frederick Alfred BISSETT born
1864 William BISSETT died
1870 Margaret BISSETT (widow) m. John FITZGERALD
How does Margaret BISSETT, widow with two small children, support herself for six years before second marriage?
From marriage certificate, 1858, what do you see for witnesses?
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Maybe another given name?
Ancestry Hospital Admission Register
BISSETT Elizabeth 29y Wd Religion R residence Adelaide rheumatism
admitted 7 Nov 1868 discharged 23 Dec 1868 Bristol England Red Jacket
10 (years in the colony)
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Hi Debra, where did you see that Margaret Rebecca was born in Bristol? On the Record of Patients-Adelaide Hospital- it says she was born Yorkshire, no religion mentioned.
Chris
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Hello Wivenhoe,
My Margaret Rebecca Fitzgerald (married in 1870 to John Fitzgerald) died in Nov 1878 so maybe Elizabeth was a relation.
Thanks,
Chris
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Hi Debra, where did you see that Margaret Rebecca was born in Bristol? On the Record of Patients-Adelaide Hospital- it says she was born Yorkshire, no religion mentioned.
Chris
Debra and I must be looking at the same record - I read Margaret FITZGERALD, 39, born Bristol, R/C, admitted 11 July 1878, discharged from hospital 18 July 1878.
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Ah, I see the other record now - when she is admitted 9 September 1878 and discharged 29 September 1878, there is a ditto for Yorkshire as place of birth.
Ancestry have transcribed the entry which has place of birth "Bristol" as "Germany" (the entry on the line below Margaret's).
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She married FITZGERALD as Margaret Elizabeth, not Margaret Rebecca, so she might have just been making up middle names if she didn't originally have one. The entry that Wivenhoe mentioned is for her - residence 10 years, ship Red Jacket, born Bristol.
The discharge on the 18 Jul 1878 has her birthplace as Bristol. The discharge on 29 Sep 1878 has no birthplace but the person above her is Yorkshire.
More replies but will post anyway.
Debra :)
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Maddy and Debra, thanks for helping me.
I will attack again tomorrow, and search for that other admittance.
She became very unwell I think.
I do like "fleshing out" my rellies.
Bye for now
Chris