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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Roxburghshire => Topic started by: bungleina on Monday 01 July 24 23:41 BST (UK)
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Any help finding birth of gg grandfather Robert Anderson Turnbull born around 1839 Castleton Roxburghshire. On his marriage certificate to Margaret Gunn Polson it shows his mother as Elizabeth Elliot no father named. It shows his name as Robert Anderson Elliot or Turnbull. Any ideas why it would state both names? His mother Elizabeth subsequently married Robert Young 1852 in Oxnam
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His father was most likely TURNBULL. I can't see a baptism in Castleton, so he may not have been baptised.
Debra :)
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Robert was using the Turnbull surname from a child
1841 census (Andersons and Elliots in the same household)
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a155ebff4040b9d6e73f81b/robt-turnbull-1841-roxburghshire-castleton-1839-?locale=en
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This is probably Elizabeth Elliot in 1851 census in Oxnam
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/59046f05e9379091b13800b3/elisabeth-elliot-1851-roxburghshire-oxnam-1823-?locale=en
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Castleton kirk session minutes are available for the relevant time period
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/virtual-volumes/volume-images/volume_data-CH2-64-3/GAZ00349?image_number=1&waypointing=open
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Elizabeth (Betty) ELLIOT was born 1821 Castleton to parents
Gideon ELLIOTT and Agnes ANDERSON
Children for Gideon and Agnes
• Jean 1819
• Betty 1821
• Margaret 1824
• Helen 1827
• Mary 1830
• Agnes 1832
• Anne 1835
• Janet 1840
When Elizabeth ELLIOT / YOUNG died in 1904 her mother is recorded as ANDERSON on the index.
By the 1841 census, Elizabeth is away from home working, but her illegitimate son Robert Turnbull is living with his grandparents.
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a155ebff4040b9d6e73f81b/robt-turnbull-1841-roxburghshire-castleton-1839-?locale=en
By 1851 census Robert Turnbull is living with Elizabeth’s sisters
1851 census Dykecrofts Castleton Ref 784/ 4/ 6
ELLIOT Helen Dau U F 22 Farm Servant Roxburghshire Castleton
ELLIOT Mary Dau U F 20 Farm Servant Roxburghshire Castleton
ELLIOT Janet Dau U F 12 Farm Servant Roxburghshire Castleton
TURNBULL Robert Grnson - M 12 Roxburghshire Castleton
ANDERSON Agness Grndau - F 1 Roxburghshire Castleton
Relationship for Robert to head of house is wrong. He was the nephew of Helen Elliot (and Mary and Janet)
To answer your question “It shows his name as Robert Anderson Elliot or Turnbull. Any ideas why it would state both names?”
His mother’s name was Elliot and his father’s name was Turnbull. The name Armstrong comes from his grandmother.
It is likely that Robert was named after his father.
Have a look in the Kirk sessions to see if there is a mention.
Possible father Robert Turnbull in the 1841 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a155ef4f4040b9d6e742d77/robert-turnbull-1841-roxburghshire-crailing-1818-?locale=en
He married Mary Brown in Sept 1841
1851 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/59046ed7e9379091b13783f8/robert-turnbull-1851-roxburghshire-crailing-1818-?locale=en
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Any ideas why it would state both names?
Because his parents were not married to one another.
Your best chance of finding any record of his birth or baptism is the Kirk Session records, to which Neale1961 has posted a link above.
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Thank you all for your responses. I'll take a look at the kirk sessions