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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: kinkers on Sunday 30 June 24 11:24 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find any record of my English 3x great grandparents. They had a son named Thomas Duckworth who emigrated to Melbourne, Australia in the 1860's, but I am not sure where to start looking for records of them.
The only information I have is:
Thomas Duckworth and Ellen Davis had a child named Thomas c1840 in East India
Thomas Snr was a doctor
Thomas Jnr was married in a Catholic church in Melbourne in 1866
Thomas Jnr's headstone mentions he was a native of Surrey
I've searched for records in India and UK medical registers to no avail. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi Kinkers and welcome to Rootschat. Working on your know info am I right with the following. Your Thomas jnr died 1903 in Victoria, Australia, aged 66 giving a dob of 1837. I have found a Thomas Duckworth born 14th October 1837 in Bangalore, India.His parents are however Thomas ( his occupation given as Apothecary both at his marriage and the baptism of son)and Sarah nee' Boot.
Sarah Duckworth nee' Boot died 27.11.1843 aged 31 and recorded as wife of assistant apothecary Duckworth.
Thomas Duckworth aged 49 died 10.6.1858 Bangalore occupation--pensioned Apothecary
I know the 1903 death records a mother Ellen Davis, did she marry Thomas snr after death of Sarah. Thomas jnr would only have been 5 at the time of mother's death.
SS
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FindMyPast (India records)has the death of Sarah, wife of "Asst Apothecary, Duckworth", buried 27 Nov 1843 - Kamptee Madras
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hanes teulu, sorry I amended my post before a red box popped up.
SS
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Sarah Boot & Thomas Duckworth asst Apothecary married at Madras by licence 12 Aug 1831.
Thomas Duckworth, widower, Assistant Apothecary age 36 of Kamptee, father John Duckworth
Married Caroline Fuller, age 18. Father Francis Fuller. By Banns 5 March 1845
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hanes teulu, sorry I amended my post before a red box popped up.
SS
No prob. Had posted details of 2nd marriage but deleted after latest post.
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Hi
Thomas Duckworth 1809- 10/11 June 1858 Bngalore st John pensioner Apothecary died of Consumption.
Wife Sarah 1812-27.11.1843 Kamptee Madras
Caroline went on to marry Edwin Brooks age 65 widower pension Sergent 26.12.1885 and she died 1827-1.6.1899 at Mysore.
Children Joseph 4.2.1833 -30.3.1856 Madras unemployed
James 14.12.1835 -1.1.1836
Thomas 14.10.1837
William Lazams 20.1.1840 Belgaum - Jan 1841
Caroline 3.2.1843 married 16.4.1856 John Greene writer.(she is a minor) Died 29.6.1863
Charles Edwin 1.4.1848 -29.12.1854
I had them before the other replies so you might as well have the extra bit
Ciderdrinker
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Looking at the image I think William’s second name is Lazarus
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He arrived into NSW on the Palmyra in 1854. He was aged 18, occupation 'printing', born Bangalore, parents Thomas and Caroline living at Bangalore, Religion C of E.
Who did he name as his mother when he married?
I think the informant on his death cert has just given the wrong information.
Debra :)
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Eurasian printers on the Palmyra
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/60199709
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/60199690
Debra :)
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Thank you everyone for your assistance.
I have just learnt that he was born in Madras, so I believe this is the Thomas born to Thomas Duckworth and Sarah Boot in 1837. Thomas' father marries Caroline Fuller in 1845 after first wife Sarah died, and the arrival record for the Palmyra in 1854 mentions that his mother is Caroline.
I'm fairly confident this is my ancestor now. The only discrepancy is that his mother is recorded on both his marriage and death certificate as Ellen Davis. I can't think of a reason he would make up a name (Sarah died when he was 6yo, but I assume he would still know her name). Thomas' wife from Australia was also named Ellen, but that's probably just coincidence.
Thanks again everyone
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A question about Thomas Duckworth born 1809. Can anyone say definitely where in England he was born? I've seen Crumpsall, Lancaster and Downham all Lancashire listed in various trees.
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Well that is the question.
We have 2 Duckworths working as Apothecarys in the Madras area .
Thomas 1808-1858 and John 1808-1871.
Both have a father John Duckworth and John's second marriage 11.6.1846 to Isabella Ecthes adds the detail that his father is Barrack Sergent.
From that we can go to John Duckworth bach Sergent married Mary Vaughan 31.8.1819 at Quillon Madras. Bach and spinster.
Children ,Mary 7.9.1820 (married 28.6.1845 William Higgins ),James Vaughan 10.12.1823 ,Ann died 8.9.1826 ,Rachel 5.10.1832 (married Thomas Miller 25.9.1849 ) ,Joseph 20.6.1834 .
That leaves with Thomas and John being before their marriage and also another son William born c 1818 Died 1848 who married an Agnes Hare 3.5.1842.
John Senior died of dropsy 15.5.1852 aged 69 years 8mths and 15 days. He did leave a Probate .
His wife Mary 1793- 4.6.1837 also died at Arcot so it seems he would be leaving things to his sons and daughters.
Probate at the British India Office 15.5.1853.
It was worth £370 11 sh 11 d/1333 rupees and the Inventory mentions Thomas Duckworth and J Duckworth a lot.They are buying his belongings at Auction.
The money goes to James Todd husband of the late Mary ,Rachel Miller and James V Duckworth ,all children of John.
And then you need John's military record to see where he came from.
I would guess the older children were born in India and were probably the result of a relationship between John Duckworth and a native Indian woman, may be even Mary Vaughan ,after all she was born in 1793 so would be old enough.He was 32 and she was 26 when they married in 1819 .If they were illegitimate it would explain why they did not share in his estate.
As for the birth in Lancashire,I'm guessing they put the details they had in a search form and discovered the name Duckworth came from Lancashire.
They could of course have found the military records for the family giving a place of birth.
I can't see them. It's possible John was the son of James Duckworth Army Surgeon died 1782 in India who leaves a large amount to his native companion Flora and his natural children who he unhelpfully didn't name.Although his son Thomas born 1781 is sent to London as apprentice to a coachmaker Thomas Nevitt 2.9.1793.
Ciderdrinker