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Hello everyone
I am looking for Ann Tarleton in Liverpool this is what I have so far;
Baptised 30th May 1836
1841 census with her father John Tarleton, step mother Eleanor and siblings Mary, Elizabeth and William.
1851 all together in the census
piece 2182
folio 499
page 1
I have no trace of her in 1861 but possibly missed it however then I have a bit of a puzzle.
In 1856 her sister Mary marries Edward Hassall and is on the transcripts as Mary A. Tarleton
1861 census she again uses Mary A and in 1862, now a widow she remarries using Mary Ann.
I wondered if perhaps Ann had passed away and Mary used it as a way of honouring her sister.
I have had a look on the GRO and find an Ann Talton died aged 18 in 1853 cause of death accidentally killed.
Is 2 and 2 making 5? I of course noticed the spelling difference but it does sound the same. Is there anyway I could find out more which may give me her father's name, would there have been an inquest for example.
many thanks
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her mother was Elizabeth
Baptism: 30 May 1836 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire
Ann Tarleton - [Child] of John Tarleton & Elizabeth
Abode: St Andrew St
Occupation: Whitesmith
Baptised By: Richd. Appleton Curate
Baptism: 1 Jan 1838 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire
William Tarleton - [Child] of John Tarleton & Elizabeth
Abode: Oakes St.
Occupation: Whitesmith
Baptised By: Richd. Appleton, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1837 - 1838, Page 223, Entry 1777
Source: LDS Film 1656422
Baptism: 1 Jan 1838 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire
Elizabeth Martha Tarleton - [Child] of John Tarleton & Elizabeth
Abode: Oakes St.
Occupation: Whitesmith
Baptised By: Richd. Appleton, Curate
were William and Elizabeth twins ...it looks like they were - and I can't find Mary Tarleton baptism on Lan OPC ?
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Could Mary have been born with a previous wife? A sibling Henry Gordon Tarleton was baptised on the same day and he died in 1832
Mary Ellen Tarleton
Birth Date Apr 1831
Baptism Date 6 Apr 1831
Baptism Place Edge Hill, St Mary, Lancashire, England
John Tarleton
Mother Jane Ellen Tarleton
Added - Sadly she died aged 2 weeks old so the wrong Mary and family :-\
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According to an Ancestry tree (not necessarily correct) John TARLETON was married to Elizabeth GOODE 5 Aug 1832 at Liverpool. They had a number of children, including Ann. John then married Eleanor OWENS on 2 April 1838 at Liverpool. The 1841 and 1851 census show John and Eleanor and family. (Children William and Elizabeth are not twins - just baptised on the same day.)
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Can't see any newspaper accounts of a death of Ann TARLTON in 1853.
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Can't see any newspaper accounts of a death of Ann TARLTON in 1853.
I can't either and thought the coroner listing accidental killing only three days after the death possibly meant it was unlikely there was an inquest :-\
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Could Mary have been born with a previous wife? A sibling Henry Gordon Tarleton was baptised on the same day and he died in 1832
Mary Ellen Tarleton
Birth Date Apr 1831
Baptism Date 6 Apr 1831
Baptism Place Edge Hill, St Mary, Lancashire, England
John Tarleton
Mother Jane Ellen Tarleton
Added - Sadly she died aged 2 weeks old so the wrong Mary and family :-\
same church my G Grandmother married in ... brought back my research memories ....thanks ;)
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If John married Elizabeth Goode in 1832 and Mary born 1831, could she be Elizabeth Goode's illeg daughter?
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Thanks for the input everyone, with regard Mary being Elizabeth's illegitimate daughter then I think not, only 1 census gives her year of birth to be 1831, the rest are a little later, while 1881 is way off but wondered if perhaps it was misheard at the time.
Elizabeth died aged 25 in 1837, inflammation due to confinement.
I do have the other information given and should have included the baptism records sorry but wondered why Mary would have taken on the name Ann.
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Can't see any newspaper accounts of a death of Ann TARLTON in 1853.
I can't either and thought the coroner listing accidental killing only three days after the death possibly meant it was unlikely there was an inquest :-\
This is such a shame, thanks for looking though
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Although I have found the death cert on gro for an Ann Talton (hoping it should be Tarleton) I can't find a death for either spelling on Ancestry d 28th Aug 1853, Liverpool.
Would anyone be able to have a look please in case I have overlooked it somewhere, either Ann Talton the name on the death or Ann Tarleton?
Thank you.
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I looked on the Lancs OPC website but couldn't see a burial.
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I looked on the Lancs OPC website but couldn't see a burial.
Thank you for looking, just strange I can't find anything at all.
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Can't see a burial either. The only possibility I can see might be the "woman unknown" buried 1 Sept 1953 (age - unknown) at the Parochial Cemetery, St Martin in the Fields Liverpool - and a newborn child (on the line above on the BT). It does say "inquest" and abode "Dead house".
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Browsing through Liverpool papers at around the right date I have found a report of the death of Ann Turton, inmate of the benevolent Institution, Wellington road, who fell down a well.
She was taken to the Southern and Toxteth Hospital (DC in initial post says South Hospital)
Paper published 3rd sept (saturday) it said she died previous sunday (which would be 28 Aug - so it fits except name a bit different.
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That looks promising.
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Can't see a burial either. The only possibility I can see might be the "woman unknown" buried 1 Sept 1953 (age - unknown) at the Parochial Cemetery, St Martin in the Fields Liverpool - and a newborn child (on the line above on the BT). It does say "inquest" and abode "Dead house".
Ann Talton died 28th Aug but I guess she wouldn't have been unknown plus I still don't know for sure if she could be Tarleton, would it make sense to you that someone would include the name of a sibling into their own name?
The times seem to fit as Mary became Mary Ann when she married in 1856, I am too much of a novice to make this leap.
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Browsing through Liverpool papers at around the right date I have found a report of the death of Ann Turton, inmate of the benevolent Institution, Wellington road, who fell down a well.
She was taken to the Southern and Toxteth Hospital (DC in initial post says South Hospital)
Paper published 3rd sept (saturday) it said she died previous sunday (which would be 28 Aug - so it fits except name a bit different.
Yes this is promising as on the death cert it says place of death Southern Hospital !
Many thanks for this.
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Browsing through Liverpool papers at around the right date I have found a report of the death of Ann Turton, inmate of the benevolent Institution, Wellington road, who fell down a well.
She was taken to the Southern and Toxteth Hospital (DC in initial post says South Hospital)
Paper published 3rd sept (saturday) it said she died previous sunday (which would be 28 Aug - so it fits except name a bit different.
Yes this is promising as on the death cert it says place of death Southern Hospital !
I am still wondering if she is also Tarleton, the one you mentioned must definitely be the one I found then.
This will be the frustrating part now, trying to find a link, I have searched for Ann Tarleton in census, deaths and marriages but no luck.
Many thanks for this.
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would it make sense to you that someone would include the name of a sibling into their own name?
The times seem to fit as Mary became Mary Ann when she married in 1856
If you don't have a baptism for her, can you be sure that she "became" Mary Ann when she got married?
On the other hand, was Elizabeth Martha registered just as Martha :-\
TARLETON, MARTHA
Mother's Maiden Surname: —
GRO Reference: 1837 D Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 20 Page 214
All the others with same reference have the dash for mother's maiden name on the GRO site, so there is no significance to that.
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I have found a report of the death of Ann Turton, inmate of the benevolent Institution, Wellington road, who fell down a well.
Well found.
Could it be the Benevolent Society for Reclaiming Unfortunate Females?
Attachment from Gore's Directory
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Looking at the original Liverpool Mercury article (which other newspapers around the country copied), it was published on Tuesday 30 August, but says the accident occurred on "Wednesday morning last" - so 24 August. :-\
Sorry, my mistake - she fell on the Wednesday, but "lingered" at the hospital until Sunday. Poor girl.
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The Victorians didn't mince their words when naming institutions did they?
I wonder if there are any records??
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Ann Turton/Talton certainly was unfortunate having that fatal accident.
In the 1851 census we can see that Mrs Armstrong, the Matron of the Benevolent Institution in the directory is an unmarried Isabella Armstrong, 59. Piece 2188 folio 20 page 32 (more on page 33)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGPP-1KG
With her is Elizabeth Pilley, the Under Matron, and 22 female servants. I guess these servants must also be the inmates!
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I can't either and thought the coroner listing accidental killing only three days after the death possibly meant it was unlikely there was an inquest
Inquests were help very quickly after the death in those days - the day after in a lot of cases. Some even had the body in situ.
Nesta
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On the other hand, was Elizabeth Martha registered just as Martha :-\
Is there another mystery? :-\
Elizabeth Tarleton, 3, in the 1841 census.
Mother Elizabeth Tarleton, age 25, buried 23 Nov 1837, St Nicholas. Abode St Andrew Street
1st January 1838, the double baptism at St Peter of William and Elizabeth Martha. Abode Oakes Street.
John Tarleton remarried to Eleanor Owens, 2 April 1838, at St. Peter.
Residence for both Duckenfield Street
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G96J-WNYJ
Then there is a burial, 19 April 1838, at St. Nicholas
Elizabeth Tarleton
Age 5 months
Abode Duckenfield Street
Image
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ9-NDH6
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would it make sense to you that someone would include the name of a sibling into their own name?
The times seem to fit as Mary became Mary Ann when she married in 1856
If you don't have a baptism for her, can you be sure that she "became" Mary Ann when she got married?
On the other hand, was Elizabeth Martha registered just as Martha :-\
I have her on the census and her sister Ann, I would have thought she wouldn't have shared the same name, would this be common do you know?
Many thanks for your input, every suggestion is appreciated
TARLETON, MARTHA
Mother's Maiden Surname: —
GRO Reference: 1837 D Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 20 Page 214
All the others with same reference have the dash for mother's maiden name on the GRO site, so there is no significance to that.
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With regards to the institution, I am not sure if she was one of the "unfortunate females" or whether she worked there.
In the 1851 census she is down as a servant.
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The Victorians didn't mince their words when naming institutions did they?
I wonder if there are any records??
That would be an interesting read.
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On the other hand, was Elizabeth Martha registered just as Martha :-\
Is there another mystery? :-\
Elizabeth Tarleton, 3, in the 1841 census.
Mother Elizabeth Tarleton, age 25, buried 23 Nov 1837, St Nicholas. Abode St Andrew Street
1st January 1838, the double baptism at St Peter of William and Elizabeth Martha. Abode Oakes Street.
John Tarleton remarried to Eleanor Owens, 2 April 1838, at St. Peter.
Residence for both Duckenfield Street
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G96J-WNYJ
Then there is a burial, 19 April 1838, at St. Nicholas
Elizabeth Tarleton
Age 5 months
Abode Duckenfield Street
Image
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ9-NDH6
Many thanks for that burial information, I haven't seen that.
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Thank you all so much for your input, if I'm honest I am at a loss where to go with this one and will have to perhaps keep the poor young Ann as a "maybe"
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Browsing through Liverpool papers at around the right date I have found a report of the death of Ann Turton, inmate of the benevolent Institution, Wellington road, who fell down a well.
She was taken to the Southern and Toxteth Hospital (DC in initial post says South Hospital)
Paper published 3rd sept (saturday) it said she died previous sunday (which would be 28 Aug - so it fits except name a bit different.
Thank you so much for your time.
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Just found the institution on the 1851 census, no Ann though, my Ann was with family in that census.
I realise there are a couple of years difference between the census and the death of Ann.
I can understand the temptation to clutch at straws I admit, I think I need to have another search for an Ann Tarleton and an Ann Talton to see if I can find them or even discover if they are indeed one and the same.
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Hi
It is a difficult one. There were a few Ann Turtons about in the north of England of a similar age, so it certainly isn't certain that it was your Ann Tarleton who had that sad accident.
On the face of it she seems a slightly unlikely candidate, though on the other hand she has disappeared after the 1851 census.
I was minded to think maybe it wasn't her, but there is something...
Sorry to harp on about Elizabeth, but do you know what happened to her? I noticed from the free index on findmypast that there are some possible admissions for her to Liverpool workhouse. Of course it may not be her, but she would be a candidate.
They are also on FamilySearch
20 March 1856, Elizabeth Tarlton, 18, settlement Liverpool, Protestant, located Lock, discharged 7 April 1856, from Lock
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-QF2G-2
1 August 1856, Elizabeth Tarlton, 19, located Lock, discharged 9 August 1856, from Lock
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-QF5V-J
Two more in 1857, no longer in the lock ward
23 October, Elizabeth Tarleton, 19, located Class, discharged 30 October 1857, from Class
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-QFT6-J
Then top of the next page/image, and it seems she was readmitted the same day
30 October 1857, Elizabeth Tarleton, 19, located Class, discharged 11 November 1857, from Class
The thing is, the Lock wards in workhouses were for women with sexual diseases (sometimes there were wards for men as well)
So rather like the lock hospitals. Often associated with prostitutes :(
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Sorry if I've missed it, but have John &/or Eleanor been found after 1851?
I've just found them in 1861!
But I can't see them in 1871.
I've now found them in West Derby in 1871. They seem a respectable couple ??? John was in work.
They have a grandson called Alfred Dixon living with them - whose son is he?
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They have a grandson called Alfred Dixon living with them - whose son is he?
I think he may be Alfred Owen Dixon. Mother's m n Owen b1868
There is a marriage of a John Dixon in W Derby district Q3 1866. One of the brides is Mary Owen.
Or possibly 1867 Thomas Dixon, one of brides is Elizabeth Owen
Found the marriage of above, doesn't seem to match
Changed again!
Forget all above. Finally managed to sort out census page
John, Eleanor and a servant are at the bottom of a page,.
Alfred Dixon is at the top of the same page. He is the grandson of a Mary Owen (on previous page)
Different household - just co-incidence with Eleanor's maiden name
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Thanks again for your input, it certainly is a mystery, I had not really explored to much of Martha Elizabeth but this has given me something to consider when I do.
I found record in the Liverpool archives with the name of the benevolent institution and have sent an email to ask if they have records of inmates 1853, you never know there may by some chance be a record that may have next of kin names for example.
I am still very new to this and am blown away by the generosity of people on this site, thank you for all the time you take trying to help.
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Hi
It is a difficult one. There were a few Ann Turtons about in the north of England of a similar age, so it certainly isn't certain that it was your Ann Tarleton who had that sad accident.
On the face of it she seems a slightly unlikely candidate, though on the other hand she has disappeared after the 1851 census.
I was minded to think maybe it wasn't her, but there is something...
Sorry to harp on about Elizabeth, but do you know what happened to her? I noticed from the free index on findmypast that there are some possible admissions for her to Liverpool workhouse. Of course it may not be her, but she would be a candidate.
They are also on FamilySearch
20 March 1856, Elizabeth Tarlton, 18, settlement Liverpool, Protestant, located Lock, discharged 7 April 1856, from Lock
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-QF2G-2
1 August 1856, Elizabeth Tarlton, 19, located Lock, discharged 9 August 1856, from Lock
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-QF5V-J
Two more in 1857, no longer in the lock ward
23 October, Elizabeth Tarleton, 19, located Class, discharged 30 October 1857, from Class
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-QFT6-J
Then top of the next page/image, and it seems she was readmitted the same day
30 October 1857, Elizabeth Tarleton, 19, located Class, discharged 11 November 1857, from Class
The thing is, the Lock wards in workhouses were for women with sexual diseases (sometimes there were wards for men as well)
So rather like the lock hospitals. Often associated with prostitutes :(
The name Turton was given with what I assume was a newspaper report, the death certificate actually has the name as Talton which if written as it was heard is not far away from Tarleton, this is what has caused me so much confusion.
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Sorry if I've missed it, but have John &/or Eleanor been found after 1851?
I've just found them in 1861!
But I can't see them in 1871.
I've now found them in West Derby in 1871. They seem a respectable couple ??? John was in work.
They have a grandson called Alfred Dixon living with them - whose son is he?
For some strange reason I am not getting an 1870's census up at all on Ancestry only electoral registers
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Look at my reply #35 just the end bit. (after a bit of a red herring)
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If John married Elizabeth Goode in 1832 and Mary born 1831, could she be Elizabeth Goode's illeg daughter?
I think she was born a little later only one census suggests that year, I now have her marriage record from Nov 1862 where her age is given as 29. That may be more accurate than the census perhaps, one census has her year of birth as 1847!
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Death
Dec 1875 West Derby 8b 364
Tarleton, John
Age 60
Liverpool Mercury, 16 October 1875
Deaths
TARLETON—Oct. 12, at his residence, 4, Eustace-street, aged 60, John Tarleton, whitesmith, of this town.
Burial at Anfield Cemetery, 14 October 1875, Uncosecrated Ground
John Tarleton
Age 60 years
Whitesmith
Abode 4 Eustace Street
Parish/District West Derby
Public Grave, section 4 grave 860
Image here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJM-B9CC-V
Order book
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9T1-FCW6
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Probate Calendar, 1876
John TARLETON
Effects under £200.
5 May. Administration (with the Will) of the effects of John Tarleton formerly of 30
Little Woolton street but late of 4 Eustace street both in Liverpool in the County of
Lancaster White Cooper who died 12 October 1875 at Eustace street was granted
at Liverpool to Eleanor Tarleton of 6 Heyworth street Everton Liverpool Widow the
Relict the Universal Legatee.
You can get it digitally from the probate service for just £1.50.
Hopefully you will get a will. Even so, John may just leave everything to Eleanor. Worth a go though!
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Look at my reply #35 just the end bit. (after a bit of a red herring)
Thanks for that, for some reason I can't find it at all no matter which family member I search for with that family, maybe I have a glitch or something, I may see if restarting or something may help.
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Death
Dec 1875 West Derby 8b 364
Tarleton, John
Age 60
Liverpool Mercury, 16 October 1875
Deaths
TARLETON—Oct. 12, at his residence, 4, Eustace-street, aged 60, John Tarleton, whitesmith, of this town.
Burial at Anfield Cemetery, 14 October 1875, Uncosecrated Ground
John Tarleton
Age 60 years
Whitesmith
Abode 4 Eustace Street
Parish/District West Derby
Public Grave, section 4 grave 860
Image here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJM-B9CC-V
Order book
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9T1-FCW6
This was to be my next question, why would it be unconsecrated ground?
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Perhaps he had become non-conformist by this time.
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Perhaps he had become non-conformist by this time.
Oh ok, something else for me to research, I am afraid my ignorance of some things is quite breathtaking.
Thank you
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Quick update, I contacted Liverpool City archives to ask if there were inmate records of the Benevolent Institution but unfortunately there aren't any.
So I will always have that wall of was Ann Tarleton the same as Ann Talton/Turton.
Thanks everyone
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Probate Calendar, 1876
John TARLETON
Effects under £200.
5 May. Administration (with the Will) of the effects of John Tarleton formerly of 30
Little Woolton street but late of 4 Eustace street both in Liverpool in the County of
Lancaster White Cooper who died 12 October 1875 at Eustace street was granted
at Liverpool to Eleanor Tarleton of 6 Heyworth street Everton Liverpool Widow the
Relict the Universal Legatee.
many thanks
You can get it digitally from the probate service for just £1.50.
Hopefully you will get a will. Even so, John may just leave everything to Eleanor. Worth a go though!
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Hi there
You can get it from here
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/
While I am not confident it will help, there is nothing much to lose.
There seem to be some newspaper stories about John Tarleton in later life as a marine store dealer (Little Woolton Street / Eustace Street).
1867, charged and then acquitted of receiving 105 pounds weight of lead
1869, mention of a quantity of sheet lead of a somewhat peculiar kind found at his store?
And around the time of his death in 1875, Sarah Egerton charged with stealing wearing apparel, etc, at Eustace Street.
What happened to Eleanor?
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Hi there
You can get it from here
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/
While I am not confident it will help, there is nothing much to lose.
There seem to be some newspaper stories about John Tarleton in later life as a marine store dealer (Little Woolton Street / Eustace Street).
1867, charged and then acquitted of receiving 105 pounds weight of lead
1869, mention of a quantity of sheet lead of a somewhat peculiar kind found at his store?
And around the time of his death in 1875, Sarah Egerton charged with stealing wearing apparel, etc, at Eustace Street.
What happened to Eleanor?
Interestingly enough Eleanor lived somewhere else according to the National Probate Calendar on Ancestry.
Hopefully the attachment will come through, also no mention of store keeper, still white cooper.
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Maybe Eleanor moved house in the 7 months between John's death and Eleanor being granted probate. We shouldn't just assume they were living apart
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Maybe Eleanor moved house in the 7 months between John's death and Eleanor being granted probate. We shouldn't just assume they were living apart
Sorry, I was only wondering if there was a family member at the address she was at.