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Title: Help trying to find grave
Post by: joliz on Saturday 29 June 24 16:02 BST (UK)
Hi,
Would anyone be able to help me or advise me on how to find a grave,
Im looking for charles j stanley, his death was registered in Apr/May/June in 1967,and the registration district is Brent
Any help would be great

Jo
Title: Re: Help trying to find grave
Post by: BumbleB on Saturday 29 June 24 16:11 BST (UK)
Do you have a copy of his death certificate?  That should give you a more precise address than "Brent".

Title: Re: Help trying to find grave
Post by: bearkat on Saturday 29 June 24 16:29 BST (UK)
Brent Council's website says their burial records are included on the Deceased Online website

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

but I can't see a burial/cremation in Brent.  How sure are you about dates? There is a burial for a Charles James Stanley 18th July 1969 in Surrey.  You need to pay to see full details.


Title: Re: Help trying to find grave
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 29 June 24 16:35 BST (UK)

but I can't see a burial/cremation in Brent.  How sure are you about dates? There is a burial for a Charles James Stanley 18th July 1969 in Surrey.  You need to pay to see full details.

Probate index for a Charles James Stanley who died 11 July 1969 - he lived 153 Hide Tower, Regency Street, London WC1.   (Did they mean Regents Street  WC1.  :-\. )

ADDED This looks like that ones death reg
Death Sep qtr 1969 
STANLEY    Charles James    Born 13 Apr 1913    Westminster RD    5e   1682   
Title: Re: Help trying to find grave
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 29 June 24 16:39 BST (UK)
This is the one we are looking for
Stanley, Charles J
Born c1890
Died 1967
Brent RD, Middlesex, England




Title: Re: Help trying to find grave
Post by: joliz on Saturday 29 June 24 16:42 BST (UK)
Hi,
Sorry i should have said charles joseph stanley. Myself im not 100% sure on the date, i was given this date  from a relative ,but i havent got around to buying this certificate as yet.

Thanks
Jo
Title: Re: Help trying to find grave
Post by: joliz on Saturday 29 June 24 16:45 BST (UK)
Hi Rosie,
Yes i think that could be the one ,

JO
Title: Re: Help trying to find grave
Post by: bearkat on Saturday 29 June 24 16:46 BST (UK)
So, we're definitely looking for 1967 in Brent, although I suppose even if he died in Brent he could have been buried elsewhere.

Here's Brent's website:

https://www.brent.gov.uk/births-deaths-marriages-nationality/deaths-and-funeral-services/search-burial-records
Title: Re: Help trying to find grave
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 29 June 24 19:06 BST (UK)
Here's his birth reg to clarify name

STANLEY, CHARLES  JOSEPH  mmn HOLDEN     
GRO Reference: 1890  J Quarter in MARYLEBONE  Volume 01A  Page 556

Title: Re: Help trying to find grave
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 29 June 24 19:25 BST (UK)
Did he have a criminal record?  I'm finding a number of such entries in London that fit his name & birthyear?


 
Title: Re: Help trying to find grave
Post by: bearkat on Saturday 29 June 24 19:36 BST (UK)
There's a previous thread about him

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=872936.0
Title: Re: Help trying to find grave
Post by: joliz on Saturday 29 June 24 19:52 BST (UK)
Hi , Yeah he had a interesting past  ;)
Quiet a few criminal records
Thanks
jo
Title: Re: Help trying to find grave
Post by: joliz on Saturday 13 July 24 13:20 BST (UK)
Hi,
I finally have the death certificate for charles joseph stanley. Died 1967
Registration district of Brent
Sub District of Willesden.., In the london borough of Brent

Charles address at the time was: 8 Poplars Avenue, Willesden, Brent , N.W.2
and also died in willesden.
Any help would be great as have had no luck
Many thanks
Jo
Title: Re: Help trying to find grave
Post by: joliz on Wednesday 12 March 25 13:23 GMT (UK)
Hi,
I finally have the death certificate for charles joseph stanley. Died 1967
Registration district of Brent
Sub District of Willesden.., In the london borough of Brent

Charles address at the time was: 8 Poplars Avenue, Willesden, Brent , N.W.2
and also died in willesden.
Any help would be great as have had no luck
Many thanks
Jo
Title: Re: Help trying to find grave
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 12 March 25 15:35 GMT (UK)
As you now have his exact death date you could contact Brent records office to check for burial or cremation details
Title: Re: Help trying to find grave
Post by: Rattus on Wednesday 12 March 25 15:37 GMT (UK)
Based on the info in the other thread, I can see a likely death registration for his second wife Alice Evelyn Stanley in Brent Q2 1980 (vol 11, page 828). A burial and/or will might provide clues, but I haven't been able to locate either.

Ancestry is showing a Charles J Stanley on the electoral roll in Willesden East in 1950, 1954 and 1962, but I don't currently have a subscription to see the details. If he married in Willesden in 1935 and then died there in 1967, it would be odd for him to be buried elsewhere.

Who was the informant on the death certificate?
Title: Re: Help trying to find grave
Post by: JenB on Wednesday 12 March 25 15:43 GMT (UK)
New thread, same topic
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=890096.msg7638276
Title: Re: Help trying to find grave
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 13 March 25 14:22 GMT (UK)

Ancestry is showing a Charles J Stanley on the electoral roll in Willesden East in 1950, 1954 and 1962, but I don't currently have a subscription to see the details. If he married in Willesden in 1935 and then died there in 1967, it would be odd for him to be buried elsewhere.

Who was the informant on the death certificate?

For info.

Charles J & Alice E Stanley
Electoral Date   1964
Street Address   8 Poplar's Avenue
Ward or Division/Constituency   Brent
County or Borough   Willesden
there are 4 other people named at the above address
3 females, 1 male their surnames Bott & Gater

Title: Re: Help trying to find grave
Post by: Rattus on Thursday 13 March 25 17:03 GMT (UK)
As you now have his exact death date you could contact Brent records office to check for burial or cremation details

This definitely looks like the way forward. I tried to find his mother's details, as her death was also registered in Willesden in 1951. No luck. I came to the conclusion that there must be a problem with the records. And on investigation, even though the LB Brent website directs you to Deceased Online, it looks like DO does not hold the records for Willesden New Cemetery - the most likely location.

The only Brent cemeteries named in DO's page for the borough are: Alperton Cemetery, Carpenders Park Cemetery, Willesden Old Burial Ground (St Mary's), and Wembley Old Burial Ground (St John's).

This page gives details of Brent's charges for family history searches, but it doesn't explain how to book one of their six-hour slots:

https://www.brent.gov.uk/births-deaths-marriages-nationality/deaths-and-funeral-services/family-history-searches (https://www.brent.gov.uk/births-deaths-marriages-nationality/deaths-and-funeral-services/family-history-searches)