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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: O.R.A.W.M.U on Saturday 22 June 24 10:15 BST (UK)
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Morning
I’m looking for the parents of Ann Foster.
I can’t find a birth record to match.
She looks to have been born in 1886 Walker Northumberland.
Ann Foster married William Conner in 1907 Tynemouth
I believe they had six children.
Daughter Isabella Conner born 1909 Walker married Robert Cherry in 1930 Tynemouth.
As yet I have not purchased a marriage certificate. If no joy this will be my next step!
Thanks
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The 1921 Census shows that Robert Conner, wife Ann and children Isabella; Mary; Ann; Sarah and Elsie living in Walker. Ann states that she is 36 years and 1 month of age and born in Byker. The 1939 Register shows the family living in Wallsend, Ann states her date of birth as 20th May 1885 -- DOB ties in with birth registration of Annie FORSTER shown below.
A search found a 6 year old Annie FORSTER, born Byker, father Robert, mother Eleanor (Smith -- marriage Quarter 4, 1875, Newcastle)
Still looking for a birth registration / baptism
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Thank you AllanUK that’s a great help!
So Forster not Foster! That may be why I’ve been hitting dead ends!
Children Birth records registered as Foster as an error maybe.
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FORSTER, ANNIE SMITH SMITH
GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 126
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Ann's mother --
Eleanor J declares herself as born in Edinburgh (1881 Census) -- only one Eleanor J Smith found -- Born 1886, Edinburgh, Eleanor Jane Smith (mother's maiden name FAIL)
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The 1891 Census shows --
Annie F -- the 'F' could be FAIL, i.e. her grandmother's maiden name
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https://one-name.org/marriage-locator/
Marriage Locater indicates the 1875 marriage of Robert Forster and Eleanor Smith was at St John, Newcastle
You would be able to get this marriage entry info from Tyne and Wear Archives, Newcastle.
There is a chance the Tynemouth registered marriages could be looked up for free if these were at the below Churches shown on link for Church codes:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=550486.msg4037731#msg4037731
Email or otherwise contact the registrar's office and giving freebmd info ask for the venue code.
North Shields local studies holds records as does Tyne and Wear Archives. North Shields local studies is much easier to access so therefore much more user friendly in my opinion.
https://one-name.org/marriage-locator/
Marriage Locator can't exactly pin point the 1907 marriage but it might be worth checking out St Luke, Wallsend, anyway.
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Thank you AllanUK and River Tyne Lass I will look at all you have mentioned.
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The 1891 Census shows --
Annie F -- the 'F' could be FAIL, i.e. her grandmother's maiden name
Annie F Forster looks to have parents John and Sarah?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSM1-9RP?treeref=GTQL-VPX&cid=fs_copy
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Annie Fail Forster married a William Arthur Hornsby. And is in the 1939 register as Annie Hornsby.
Still looking at the “Annie Smith Forster”
Looks like back to the drawing board.
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GRO Index for children Conner /Foster Updated
All registered Tynemouth with mother's maiden name Foster
Elizabeth 1907 died 1907
Isabella 1909
Mary 1910
Ann 1911 - added
Janet 1914
William 1916
Sarah 1919
Elsie 1921
Lily 1924
Nora 1927 died 1927
1911 Ann has had 3 children 2 living 1 deceased. (Elizabeth has died)
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School Admissions Corrected (I typed Foster instead of Conner)
Willie Conner mother Janet 1892 Thames Street DOB 13-12-1885
William Conner father Hugh 1890 and 1895 DOB 15-12-1885 Thames Street.
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Possible
1901 census 17 Hugh Street Wallsend
Hugh CONNOR 44 Iron Ship Plater born Ireland
Janet 44 born Hebburn Durham
Edward 22 born Willington Quay
Robert 20 born Wallsend
Sarah 18
William 16*
Hugh 13 Twins
Isabella 13 (Did not find a registration on GRO reported as on FreeBMD)
Janet 9
John 5
Thomas 3
All these children have mother's maiden name Davidson
ADDED
There is one child missing
1911 Janet states married 32 years 10 children 8 living 2 deceased.
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William Connor baptised 28 January 1885 St Peter Wallsend parents Hugh and Janet.
Transcription onancestry
This fits with a DOB of mid December 1894
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There is a marriage of Hugh Conner to Janet Davidson December quarter 1878 reg. Tynemouth.
Vol-10b page 319
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To be sure of parents purchase the marriage certificate for William Conner/Connor to Ann Foster 1907.
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Thank you you’ve been busy!
This looks very helpful and I’m going to work through the info today thank you.
Also will be looking to purchase the marriage cert for confirmation ☺️
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GRO Index for children Conner /Foster
All registered Tynemouth with mother's maiden name Foster
Elizabeth 1907 died 1907
Isabella 1909
Mary 1910
? ? may have missed one.
Janet 1914
William 1916
Sarah 1919
Elsie 1921
Lily 1924
Nora 1927 died 1927
1911 Ann has had 3 children 2 living 1 deceased. (Elizabeth has died)
So 9 children found so far, possible there may be a 10th.
There is also a daughter Ann Conner born 1911.
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Marriage Locator indicates 1878 marriage was as St Paul, Howdon Panns.
If you got the Church code the 1907 marriage might be able to be found for free at the local studies.
This is the contact to ask for the code via phone or email:
https://my.northtyneside.gov.uk/category/533/contact-registrars-office
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https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/241109179/ann-conner
I have this memorial up on Find a Grave which I added a while back. I was sent edits for her birthdate in the last few days - 12 Aug 1886 and for the bio. Presumably this is the Ann of this thread?
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https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/241109179/ann-conner
I have this memorial up on Find a Grave which I added a while back. I was sent edits for her birthdate in the last few days - 12 Aug 1886 and for the bio. Presumably this is the Ann of this thread?
Yes I think so, but now I’m not sure on the DOB after some confusion over the parents. I do believe it’s still the correct person.
https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/17349620?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a227670307236706d635341563948754650656654742f3169514d456b565a7a4b2b44326957694332737571633d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d
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If this is the right person then it would seem that whoever registered the death also gave that date as her date of birth. As this date shows on freebmd as birth date.
Although, it could be possible that the year of death might be inaccurate as back in the day some people seem to have been more flexible about age.
But then again the whole birth date could be correct.
Did you know Ann's full cremation record will be at North Shields local studies? The first half of the 1970s are on microfilm and can be very detailed; much more so than the burial entries. This might include things like cause of death, etc.
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Still looking for help on this one… After more searching the original suggestions for parents, unfortunately they didn’t match up.
The below is a post I also put on a fb group with all the info I have.
But no responses.
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Can someone please try and help me find parents of Ann Foster/ Forster. I’m really at a loss on this one.
Ann Foster
Born 20 May 1885 in Byker, Northumberland.
Potential:
1891 living at 7 Melbourne Street, Foreign Trade, All Saints, Northumberland
John Foster B: 1860
Hannah Foster B: 1864
William Foster B: 1885
Ann Foster B: 1886
Johns occupation Shipyard Labourer ( this matches Marriage cert of Ann & William)
Ann is listed as the adopted daughter of Robert and Margaret Lillie in 1901 living in Walker.
William Connor and Ann marry 20 May 1907 Tynemouth registry office.
John Foster is listed as deceased, a shipyard labourer.
Ann and William are later boarding with the Lillie’s in 1911 at 46 River View Walker, William a Plater Boilermaker (Ship)
1920-31 they look to be living at 46 Fisher street, Walker.
1939 they are living at 28 John Street, Wallsend. William a Shipyard Plater (Heavy Work) a few doors down from their daughter Isabella and her family.
I’ve searched GRO Birth records for Ann’s and possible brother William’s birth with no joy.
I’ve hunted for a marriage of John and Hannah Foster with no joy.
Potential death of John in 1895
Can’t find a death for Hannah.
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There is an 1884 marriage for a John Forster and Hannah Mures as a possibility?
Marriage Locator indicates this marriage took place at St Peter, Newcastle.
Son William Forster born 1885 mmn Muirs
Possible .. Ann Forster born 1886 mmn Muras
but she would not fit the 1885 birth date you have given. ???
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NBL/DeathNotices/deaths_FORK
Newcastle death notice listed for a Hannah Forster in 1892 published in Evening Chronicle 29 March
GRO gives age as 28
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Thank you River Tyne Lass <3
I’m going to check out your reply’s now and see if they fit with what I have.
That potential death of Hannah will tie in date wise to Ann being adopted by the Lillies as she was with them by 1901.
The 20 April 1885 date of birth for Ann comes from the 1939 register.
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The newspaper article in 1892 matches the 1891 census details I have stating the same address!
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https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/275241065/william_conner
https://www.remembrance-books.com/Tynemouth/book-of-remembrance.html#page/62
I have added a William Conner to Find a Grave whose wife is Ann Conner - the latter born 1886.
These two are both showing in the Tynemouth online Books of Remembrance - look under 31 August
Yes, do let us know if you discover any fit with what you have when you have checked things over. That is good that you can view Hannah's death notice.
Does 1939 birth date for William match the one showing on Find a Grave 15 Dec 1884?
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I’ve attached a section of the death certificate for Hannah that n 1892. I can’t make out what the cause of death is.
It states husband John Forster was a platers Keeper.
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Does 1939 birth date for William match the one showing on Find a Grave 15 Dec 1884?
Yes the 1939 register matches Williams DOD as 15 Dec 1884 :)
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This is starting to look promising!
1881 census same address!
Name Hannah Muras
Age 17
Estimated Birth Year abt 1864
Relationship to Head Daughter
Father William Muras
Mother Elizabeth Muras
Gender Female
Where born Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Civil parish Newcastle on Tyne All Sts
County/Island Northumberland
Country England
Street Address No 7 Melbourne St
Registration district Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub registration district All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel 13b
William Muras 38 Head
Elizabeth Muras 36 Wife
Hannah Muras 17
Benjamin Muras 11
Isaac Muras 10
Andrew Muras 8
John Muras 6
Septimus Muras 1
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https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=667754.0
I think the above thread relates to Hannah's cause of death - phthisis pulmonalis - in other words TB.
Gosh, you have managed this death cert quickly!
Yes, I agree it all seems to be very promising. I wonder if there was an error made by someone when date of birth for Ann was provided for 1939 register?