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Hi, can anyone help me with some information.
My great great grandfather worked at a brewery in Rotherham from at least around 1871 to his death in 1911. Although I don't think of Rotherham as a "brewery" town, at the time, he lived quite near to Mappins brewery and Bentley's brewery. In between service in the second Boar War and WW1, my great grandfather, his son George also worked there as a drayman.
Except... it never tells me which brewery it actually was in Rotherham and the census records tell what type of work he did in the brewery (a square worker?) but never the name of the brewery. Both brewers are long since gone (50 or so years ago) - any ideas on if there are any official records that might tell me (marriage certificate or death certificate maybe? or other lists of workers that exist anywhere?
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This thread may be useful re square work in a brewery https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=422357.0
Kay
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It’s a long shot but did you try newspapers? If he had an industrial accident it may have been reported.
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Was George still a drayman in 1921? – if so you should be able to get his employer from the census, if you believe it to be the same brewery.
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Thread on brewery square workers: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=422357.0
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Was George still a drayman in 1921? – if so you should be able to get his employer from the census, if you believe it to be the same brewery.
I am not sure. William Stanley worked at a brewery for 40 years but died in 1911 and it didn't include employer info on the last census he was on but he still seemed to be working at age of 60 at least in 1901 census. George Stanley (my great grandfather) was in the first world war but not sure what he was doing in 1921 - he died suddenly in 1922 of heart attack. i will look up, thank you!
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George had moved on to being a delivery driver for a mineral water company in 1921. William had passed on at that point so the mystery of which Rotherham brewer he worked for remains!
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I have ordered William's death certificate to see if it mentions who he worked for as he seemed to work in the brewing industry from 1870s to his death in 1911 so a reasonable time. No idea if a square worker was a position you worked up to or if it was just a labourer job.
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Could this be William?
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The Sheffield Daily Independent, 20th May 1911
DEATH IN THE STREET DEATH IN THE STREET . William Stanley (70), brewer’s labourer, of 66, College road, Rotherham, died suddenly in Main street yesterday morning. He was on his way home from work, having been employed during the night at the Sheffield and Rotherham Brewery, Market Place. ...
Added: I see a full clip has been posted previous page of thread, while posting this.
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White's Directory of Sheffield and Rotherham 1905, page 727, lists the Sheffield and Rotherham Brewery Ltd. next to the Sheffield Banking Co. Ltd in Market Street.
https://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/digital/collection/p16445coll4/id/275833/rec/1
The bank is shown on this map (1901), the building adjacent to the "B", so the brewery was close by. Main Street is at the south end of Market Street.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/125650741#zoom=6&lat=6939&lon=4738&layers=BT
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Could this be William?
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It is! Thanks so much! I have never heard of this brewery either, I was convinced in my head that it was Bentley's or Mappin's that he worked at. His son, my great grandfather George died suddenly at 47 of heart problems so the cause fits too. I knew he was still working in the 1911 census so I had a feeling it might have been some sort of sudden death. I guess retirement wasn't really an option in the days before old age pensions.
I will now try and find out about Sheffield and Rotherham Brewing company. Thanks again.
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The Sheffield Daily Independent, 20th May 1911
DEATH IN THE STREET DEATH IN THE STREET . William Stanley (70), brewer’s labourer, of 66, College road, Rotherham, died suddenly in Main street yesterday morning. He was on his way home from work, having been employed during the night at the Sheffield and Rotherham Brewery, Market Place. ...
Added: I see a full clip has been posted previous page of thread, while posting this.
Thanks so much for the info as well. Now to try and find out about Sheffield and Rotherham Brewery. I didn't even know there was a brewery in that area of town before and certainly one I have never heard of. Thanks so much.
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A short page from Breweryhistory.com:
http://breweryhistory.com/wiki/index.php?title=Sheffield_%26_Rotherham_Brewery_Ltd
Also, from Wikipedia:
Sheffield & Rotherham Brewery Ltd, Effingham Brewery, Market Place, Lyne, Greater Manchester, South Yorkshire.
Trading 1870 as Douglas & Co.
Registered November 1900 as R.N.Hutchinson & Co. Ltd to acquire the Effingham Brewery Co. Ltd.
New company registered as above April 1902.
Acquired by Mappin's Brewery Ltd. 1914.
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A short page from Breweryhistory.com:
http://breweryhistory.com/wiki/index.php?title=Sheffield_%26_Rotherham_Brewery_Ltd
Also, from Wikipedia:
Sheffield & Rotherham Brewery Ltd, Effingham Brewery, Market Place, Lyne, Greater Manchester, South Yorkshire.
Trading 1870 as Douglas & Co.
Registered November 1900 as R.N.Hutchinson & Co. Ltd to acquire the Effingham Brewery Co. Ltd.
New company registered as above April 1902.
Acquired by Mappin's Brewery Ltd. 1914.
That's amazing, thank you! So, seems a smallish brewery. I suppose my instincts were sort of right - it did become Mappin's but 3 years after G G Grandfather passed away. I wonder if Sheffield and Rotherham Brewery ltd had any tied house pubs in the area - I still occasionally see Mappins and more often Bentley's signs on old doors and stonework. Guessing that having tied pubs were the done thing for breweries then as most people drank in public houses then?
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The site was cleared shortly afterwards because the council acquired most of the property between the bank and the bridge, for redevelopment to create Corporation Street c1913-14. Rotherham Archives has a set of deeds which shows various owners and the name Rother Brewery, 1854-98. The last deed would have been retained in the council's deed safe.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01t8z/
Mappins would not have acquired the site, but took over the business.
"Market Place, Lyne, Greater Manchester, South Yorkshire." seems very muddled!
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The site was cleared shortly afterwards because the council acquired most of the property between the bank and the bridge, for redevelopment to create Corporation Street c1913-14. Rotherham Archives has a set of deeds which shows various owners and the name Rother Brewery, 1854-98.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01t8z/
Mappins would not have acquired the site, but took over the business.
"Market Place, Lyne, Greater Manchester, South Yorkshire." seems very muddled!
That's great information, thank you. Yes, I did kind of wonder how Rotherham became Lyne Greater Manchester then reverted back to South Yorkshire haha.
I know exactly where the brewery would have been and yes, it is very different now. Presumably Mappins would have bought the receipes, equipment and maybe ownership of any tied houses. I have found one tied house listing that brewery but its in Sheffield and the pub itself is no longer there.
Seems to have had official legal names but generally known as Sheffield and Rotherham brewery company. I am assuming that G G Grandpa worked for this brewery for the duration of his working life, as he seems to have worked in brewing from sometime in the 1870s through to his death. I wonder what the beer tasted like from that brewery - lost in the midst of time but chances are I suppose they would have produced the sort of bitter that was most common in Yorkshire at the time.
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More information on Rother Brewery (Sheffield and Rotherham Brewery site)
213-C - Title deeds to properties belonging to Rotherham Corporation
49 - Rotherham - Market Place III - Rother Brewery
Ref No 213-C/49/16
Title Conveyance
Description 1) Thomas Marrian snr. et al.
2) Thomas Marrian and Co. Ltd.
= of premises formerly used as a steam corn mill with cottage, warehouse, office and wood turner's shop, now converted into a brewery known as Rother Brewery (565 sq. yds.) situated near the Market Place (bounds recited) with free use of a passage to the property from the Market Place, together with all boilers, machinery, etc., subject to various mortgages.
Date 30 December 1882
Access Status Open
Assuming Thomas Marrian and Co was an established brewer somewhere else maybe
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That deed has "bounds recited" so should be able to work out exactly where it was. Years ago Rotherham had a set of OS photocopy extracts with the boundaries of all the Corporation Deeds added. They were in the staff copy of the typescript catalogue, worth asking.
I think Thomas Marrian had a brewery in Sheffield. There is this single item at Rotherham, re the Three Cranes, High Street:
23-B - Papers of Alfred Pickering
2 - Three Cranes: Bills.
Ref No 23-B/2/1
Title Bills from Thomas Marrian and Co. Ltd., Sheffield for 53 gallons of ale.
Date 10 Jan. 1894
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Thanks Molly, that's really helpful information.
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I like the newly reopened and restored Three Cranes as well in Rotherham, reportedly the oldest pub in Rotherham.
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Some business records of Registered companies were sent on a regular basis to Companies House, e.g., Accounts, Names of Directors, Name changes and Registrations of Mortgages.
Records they selected to preserve eventually went to The National Archives, Kew.
BT 31/9864/73515 (Notice and Readers Ticket required to see file)
"Company No: 73515 ; Sheffield and Rotherham Brewery Ltd. Incorporated in 1902. Dissolved before 1916"
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C4867304