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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: monsterworm on Tuesday 18 June 24 16:41 BST (UK)
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Hi, Could someone please help me see what Marys mothers name is. I think father is James Canavan, miner but I'm unable to make out much else. Marriage was 1879, Edinburgh.
Many thanks
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I think her mother's maiden name is Brown and father's first name James
Kay
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I think her mother's maiden name is Brown and father's first name James
Kay
Thank you, I was hoping for mother to be Ann Branagan or Brogan, back to the drawing board @ ;)
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Did Mary died young?
There is possible death entry for her on SP:
MARY CANAVAN or BERNARD
Age 42
Mother's maiden name BROWN
1897
695 / 48
Newbattle
Monica
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I can last find her in 1891 married to James Philip, 1901 James is a widow living with his brother.
Wonder why she would go back to Canavan tho?
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I can last find her in 1891 married to James Philip, 1901 James is a widow living with his brother.
Wonder why she would go back to Canavan tho?
Is this Mary on the 1871 census. Family headed up I think by James Canavan and Ann Brogan:
James Cannavan 53 coal miner b. Ireland
Ann Cannavan 48 b. Ireland
Thomas Cannavan 23 coal miner b. Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Sarah Cannavan 14 b. Bothwell, Lanarkshire
Margaret Cannavan 9 b. Bothwell, Lanarkshire
Mary Cannavan 19 Grandaughter b. b. Bothwell, Lanarkshire
Address 13 Brick Row, Old Monkland Eastern District
If this is Mary with grandparents, then her mother could well have had the surname of Brown. She could also be illegitimate and used her grandparents' names as her parents on her marriage registration. Maybe a mistake crept in when remembering grandmother's maiden name. Hard to say and supposition really for now.
Can't easily see the Canavans in 1861 so far to see whether Mary shows with them.
Monica
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I can last find her in 1891 married to James Philip, 1901 James is a widow living with his brother.
Wonder why she would go back to Canavan tho?
So James Bernard also died young? Have you checked the marriage entry for James Philip and Mary to see what showed for her parents?
Regarding her use of her maiden name, Scottish women never lost their legal right to use their maiden name. This is why deaths are listed under both her married and maiden surnames. Also grave inscriptions for married women often just show a woman's maiden name etc.
Monica
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Did Mary died young?
There is possible death entry for her on SP:
MARY CANAVAN or BERNARD
Age 42
Mother's maiden name BROWN
1897
695 / 48
Newbattle
Monica
Mary Bernard, husband of James Bernarn. Parents were James Canavan and Ann Brown so it would seem like she is my Mary, thank you
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There is a second marriage registration for Mary with the same reference of 1879 - 695 / 10 - Newbattle.
Looks like husband James is registered on his marriage as both Philip and Bernard.
Monica
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There is a second marriage registration for Mary with the same reference of 1879 - 695 / 10 - Newbattle.
Looks like husband James is registered on his marriage as both Philip and Bernard.
Monica
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These guys are so confusing! :D
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[/quote]Is this Mary on the 1871 census. Family headed up I think by James Canavan and Ann Brogan:
James Cannavan 53 coal miner b. Ireland
Ann Cannavan 48 b. Ireland
Thomas Cannavan 23 coal miner b. Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Sarah Cannavan 14 b. Bothwell, Lanarkshire
Margaret Cannavan 9 b. Bothwell, Lanarkshire
Mary Cannavan 19 Grandaughter b. b. Bothwell, Lanarkshire
Address 13 Brick Row, Old Monkland Eastern District
If this is Mary with grandparents, then her mother could well have had the surname of Brown. She could also be illegitimate and used her grandparents' names as her parents on her marriage registration. Maybe a mistake crept in when remembering grandmother's maiden name. Hard to say and supposition really for now.
Can't easily see the Canavans in 1861 so far to see whether Mary shows with them.
Monica
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This is the family I belive I'm looking for and why I was looking for the maiden name Brogan, I missed this census where Mary is grandaughter of James and Ann.
In 1881
Ann Canavan Head
Widow Female 68 1813 - Ireland
William Canavan Son
Unmarried Male 35 1846 Coal miner Coatbridge, Lanarkshire, Scotland
James Canavan Grandson
- Male 5 1876 Scholar Lanarkshire, Scotland
James is the son of Mary, his death cert states that she Mary married James Philip.
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1861 possibly?
James Cannan Head
Married Male 48 1813 Blast furnace keeper Ireland
Agnes Cannan Wife
Married Female 44 1817 - Ireland
Edward Cannan Son
Unmarried Male 22 1839 Coal miner Lanarkshire, Scotland
Thomas Cannan Son
- Male 16 1845 Coal miner Lanarkshire, Scotland
Annie Cannan Daughter
- Female 12 1849 Scholar Lanarkshire, Scotland
Mary Cannan Daughter
- Female 9 1852 Scholar Lanarkshire, Scotland
Sarah Cannan Daughter
- Female 4 1857 - Lanarkshire, Scotland
Years are pretty close to the names in 1851, I'll see if I can get the original tomorrow
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Looks likely. In this one, Mary showing as daughter isn't she.
Agnes and Ann are stardard first name variants, see www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=agnes
Monica