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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: rkive82 on Tuesday 11 June 24 17:48 BST (UK)
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We have Isabella (Elisabeth in 1861 Census) Smith born in December 1857 to Walter Smith and Sarah née Jackson.
Here is an apparent record of Isabella's marriage to Alexander Lobban in August 1874
https://libindx.moray.gov.uk/people/people_report_view.asp?REF_ID=NM299550
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On the FreeBMD index, I only find an Isabella Smith marrying an Alexander Thopson in Q Sept 1874 in the Bellingham reg district.
Where is the marriage of Isabella and Alexander?
Richard
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FreeBMD covers England and Wales.
Moray is in Scotland! You need ScotlandsPeople.gov.uk for Scottish records.
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the record in the link shows the marriage in Otterburn.
The date of the marriage of Isabella Smith & Alexander Thompson in Otterburn is 22 Aug 1874, the same as the one given on the link. ???
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Yes. I spent a week in Otterburn and knew I was still in England.
Are Alexander Thompson and Alexander Lobban the same person? ???
Other information on Ancestry trees seem to be correct.
Richard
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Their daughter Isabella's birth in 1881 in Huntley does list her parents marriage as 22 August 1874 in Otterburn, England so maybe Alexander Thompson and Lobban are the same person :-\
Kay
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Thank you Kay and Osprey.
I am a DNA match with a Lobban descendant, so I will ask him for clarification. I will keep you informed.
Richard
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Following Alexander back he seems to be a Lobban - son of James Lobban and his wife Barbara nee Robertson (they married in 1835)
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Northumberland Archives hold the registers for Otterburn.
I'd try posting on the Northumberland Look Up Requests Board to ask for a look up if anyone is going to the archives and would be able to tell you the details, groom's age and occupation and his Dad's name and occupation.
A copy of the record from the archives would cost you less than an official cert from the GRO and will have good stuff like original signatures - and in my experience the copies are usually crisp clear digital images.
Boo
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I think this may confirm the 1874 marriage. I noticed that on Anc family trees the couple had a son Walter Lobban listed as born 23 Oct 1875 in Morpeth. I couldn't find a registered birth with the surname Lobban but did find one with the surname Thompson and mother maiden Smith in Morpeth which is hopefully attached
Did Alexander Lobban change his surname temporarily and move to England for some reason??
Kay
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Splendid! Thanks very much Kay and Boo.
This fits very neatly into the Lobban family and the DNA match that I found using ThruLines on Anc**try,
Isabella Smith was very young when she got married - born December 1857 and married in August 1874 - so perhaps there was an element of secrecy about the marriage. Alexander was about 15 years older than her.
I am enjoying using ThruLines to confirm most of my DNA matches. It's a useful tool.
Richard
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1881 Scotland Census Census 158/ 2/ 3, Inverkeithing, Banffshire
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Alexander Lobban, head, mar, 39, joiner, Born Aberdeenshire, Huntly
Isabella Lobban, wife, mar, 23, born England
Walter Lobban, son, age 5 born England
James Lobban, son, 11 months, born England
Kay99 provided Walter's birth registration and I've attached James'
Boo
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Just like to say that Alexander Lobban's residence on the 1881 Census is Inverkeithny, Banffshire. (Parish Reference No: 158.). Inverkeithing is in Fife, Scotland. (Parish Reference No: 432.)
Regards, Dod.
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oops . I obviously misread that.
Thank you Dot !
Boo
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I am gradually filling this branch of my tree.
James Lobban b 11 April 1880 sadly died in WWI on 23 March 1918 in France. James had married Sarah Smith in Q June 1900 in Sunderland.
Sarah A Lobban is the widow of James in the WWI Pension Ledger with a DoB of 3 April 1880. She is Sarah ALICE Smith in the 1911 Census.
Then ... trees have Sarah marrying Joseph B Johnson in Q June 1927 in Sunderland.
But ..... no trees have a death record or date of death for Sarah.
The 1939 Register has a Sarah A Johnson with a DoB of 3 November 1878. Is this our Sarah?
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What happened?
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The death is for the Sarah who married Joseph, going by dates of birth on 1939
Have you got the right 1911 entry. I've found her with James, although Ancestry have indexed her as wife, age 1
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"The death is for the Sarah who married Joseph, going by dates of birth on 1939."
Which death record?
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I am pretty sure I have the correct 1911 Census record. The document clearly says aged 31 and I made a comment to that effect. James and Sarah had been married for 10 years and had 5 children 2 of whom had died.
Richard
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Death notice in
Sunderland Echo Newspaper 18th August 1953
Johnson Sarah Alice ( Sally Lobban ) age 73, dearly beloved wife of Joseph Brockbanks Johnson at the residence of her daughter Margaret………….Interment at St Albans Cemetery Herts 20th August at 3pm, deeply mourned
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Well done Ladyhawk.
I just guessed that this might be the death record for Sarah, just because her son Walter had a St Albans connection.
JOHNSON, SARAH ALICE age 73; GRO Reference: 1953 S Quarter in ST. ALBANS Volume 04B Page 132
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That gives us more information about daughter Margaret too. Now I can finish for the day knowing we (you) have solved that mystery.
Thank you.
Richard
P.S. She is NOT JOHNSON, SARAH ALICE age 76
GRO Reference: 1953 S Quarter in LINCOLN Volume 03B Page 241
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I just guessed that this might be the death record for Sarah, just because her son Walter had a St Albans connection.
JOHNSON, SARAH ALICE age 73; GRO Reference: 1953 S Quarter in ST. ALBANS Volume 04B Page 132
For info.
19 August 1954 Sunderland Daily Echo & Shipping Gazette
In Memoriam
JOHNSON - In loving memory of my dear wife Sally Lobban, who died August 15th 1953.
Ever remembered by her loving husband, Joseph Brockbanks Johnson, son Walter, Ethel & family (St Albans).
R.I.P
Possible death for Sarah’s husband
JOHNSON Joseph B age 76 Mar 1959 St.Albans 4b 258
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1913 burial of Isabella Lobban, aged 55
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJW-J9CV-R
this record puzzled me as she's billed as 'wife of Walter' but I think this was an error in the register - maybe Walter, her son, registered the death and arranged the funeral?
can't see a death/funeral notice in the newspapers for her, but the following year were In Memoriam notices which confirm she was wife of Alexander and mother of Walter
Sunderland Daily Echo and Shipping Gazette
07 Jul 1914, page 5 col 1
In Memoriam
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LOBBAN - In loving memory of our dear mother, died July 7th 1913. A day of remembrance, sad to recall. Ever remembered by Jim and Sally
LOBBAN - In loving memory of Isabella Lobban, beloved wife of Alex. Lobban, who died July 7th, 1913. Ever remembered by her loving husband
LOBBAN - In loving memory of my dear mother, who died July 7th 1913. Loved in life, remembered in death. Ever remembered by her loving son and daughter-in-law, Walter and Gussie, and grandchildren.
1918 burial of Alexander Lobban, age 76, joiner
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJW-J9ZT-F?i
1921 burial of Robert Smith Lobban, son of Sarah Lobban
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJW-LXH?i
address matches 1921 census for Sarah Alice, widow of James Lobban who was KIA in 1918.
This little boy's age at death means he can't have been James' child.
Boo
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Good finds Boo :) - the address for Alexander's burial matches that for Walter & his family on the latest census! Walter's wife is named Augusta on 1901/11/21censuses
I did wonder about Robert Smith Lobban - digital image available from GRO
LOBBAN, ROBERT SMITH mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1920 S Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 1510
Added marriage entry Dec 1898 Sunderland 10a 1079
JAMES Agusta Amelia M
name on same page
LOBBAN Walter Alexander
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Here is the GRO birth record for Robert Smith Lobban:
LOBBAN, ROBERT SMITH mother SMITH
GRO Reference: 1920 S Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 1510
Another mystery regarding the father.
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I am satisfied WE have the correct information for Isabella Lobban née Smith 1857-1913. Thanks for finding that, Boo.
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Various trees have Joseph B Johnson dying in Q Sept 1948, but that can't be true and there is no more detail. The St Albans record looks credible and there is a Q March 1959 Northumberland Central death which could also be JBJ.
Richard
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We have got some great information from this post.
I am going with the Q March 1959 death record in St Albans for Joseph Brockbanks Johnson until I hear differently. No other public trees have credible information.
Thanks for your help everybody.
Richard aka Rkive