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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hertfordshire => Topic started by: lynellen on Saturday 08 June 24 23:54 BST (UK)
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Hi
Can anyone tell me how I can remotely view any records of inmates in the workhouse in Ware please ?
I am interested to find out anything about an Emma Webb who gave birth to a son named William on 13 May 1852 in Union House, Ware (which I'm presuming means the workhouse).
I'm wondering if there would be any record of where she lived/was born etc etc.
I think she may have been the daughter of William Webb and Mary Pearce from Great Amwell, but I'm struggling to prove it.
Need ll the help I can get with this one
Thanks
Lyn
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Do you have Emma and son William in any census records? They would give an indication of where and when she was born. Unless William isn't with her in any census records.
1851 census - Could Emma (age 20) be the servant in the Daniel Hankin household?
Residence: Village, Stanstead, Ware. Emma's birthplace - Hoddesdon, Herts.
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William Webb was christened in Hoddesdon on 30 June 1867
The Bp notes his birth as 13 May 1852, Mother: Emma, a Single Woman of Hoddesdon
As the Bp says Emma was Single, one assumes she was unmarried by 1867 and maybe living with her parents in Hoddesdon.
Children born to William & Mary Webb who were Bp at Great Amwell:-
Sarah 1826, William 1829, Emma 1832 & Joseph 1834
ALL Bp records state the family were of Hoddesdon & William was a Labourer
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A possibility only
1871 census
William Webb (Head) born Ipswich, retired Farmer
Emma Webb (dau) born Hoddesdon
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Wow, thank you. I hadn't come across the Ipswitch info before, but will research it further, just in case I have been going down the wrong path.......
All the details I have so far is William Webb born 1852 Ware.
He was my Great Grandfather and was married (although I have been unable to find any record of the marriage) to Alice Elizabeth Scrace in Tonbridge Kent.
In my Grandmother's birthday book, she had his birthday down as 18th April 1852. On all the census records I have for him from 1881 onwards he gives his birth as 1852 in Ware Hertfordshire. That is the only definate info I have for him.
All my research has turned up is the William born illigitimately to Emma Webb in May 1852, but I am struggling to confirm this is the right William.
If it is Emma may have been the daughter of William Webb and Mary Pearce of Great Amwell. Father William died in 1849 and Mother Mary remarried a much younger man John Jeffries in 1850.
It looks like this Emma married a Henry Derby in Dec 1852. On the 1861 census she is listed with him in Hoddesden with their children, one of which was William DERBY, born 1852, but I can find no record of a William DERBY born then, so am wondering if this is really William Webb ???
I can then find a William Webb born in Ware on the 1871 census living with Emma's widowed sister, Mary Webb (MMN Cakebread) in Poplar London.
By 1881 he was married(?) to Alice Scrace and living in Tonbridge, where he remained for the rest of his life.
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Thank you for the pointer to William Webb Baptism. I hadn't come across that before.
It does put doubt on Mother Emma being the one that married Henry Derby though, as you say in 1867 she was listed as single woman
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1861 Census at Gt Amwell Herts
Joseph Rudd, Head, 40, Brewers Lab'r, born: Boxbourne
Sarah Rudd, Wife, 34, born: Hoddesdon
William Webb, visitor, 9, born: Ware
Samuel Fairchilds, visitor, 7, born: Hoddesdon
Possibly Emma's sister, Sarah Webb, born 1826 of Hoddesdon
Joseph Rudd married Sarah Webb St Mary Walthamstow Essex 29 Sept 1844
Both single
Sarah's father was William Webb - no occupation given
- all made their mark
Witnesses: Henry Ruggles & Charles Turner
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1871
William Webb remains with Joseph & Sarah Rudd. 1871 has him as "nephew", age 18, born Hoddesdon
Not with the Rudd family in 1881
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I can then find a William Webb born in Ware on the 1871 census living with Emma's widowed sister, Mary Webb (MMN Cakebread) in Poplar London.
By 1881 he was married(?) to Alice Scrace and living in Tonbridge, where he remained for the rest of his life.
Did Emma Webb have a sister Mary CAKEBREAD who married a WEBB?
How do you know that William Webb married? Alice Scarce?
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Hello again
Thank you so much, I think I have been researching the right family of Webbs, but have got some conflicting info which has sent me off in the wrong direction.
It does look as if my William Webb born 1852 in Ware was living with Emma's sister Sarah in 1861 and 1871.
It also looks as if in 1871 there was another nephew William J Webb born in Poplar in 1859 was also living with Sarah and Joseph Rudd.
I think this second nephew William J, was the son of Emma and Sarah's brother William Webb and his wife Mary Cakebread. This William died sometime before 1871, as it looks like Mary his wife was in Ware poorhouse on 1871 census, with children Elizabeth aged 8, George I Webb aged 6, Arthur E aged 3 and Albert W aged 2 months.
Golly all these William Webb's make it very confusing.
There is another widow, Mary Webb on the 1871 census for Poplar with son George J and nephew William born in Ware, but aged 29
I am trying to unravel all this info as feel sure they are all connected.
I think you are right and my William was the illigitimate son of Emma Webb, but I now wonder if I was wrong that the same Emma Webb married Henry Derby and if not, what happened to Emma
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Is it at all possible for a 9 year old child to have been registered at 2 different addresses during the 1861 census ?
William Webb born 1852 is visitor at Joseph and Sarah (nee Webb) Rudd's home in Great Amwell
William Derby born 1852 scholar at Emma (nee Webb) and Henry Derby's home in Great Amwell
I am wondering if a school child would have been registered if he was 'out' somewhere when the census was being done ?