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Title: Hetherington
Post by: *sara* on Wednesday 05 June 24 22:04 BST (UK)
Hi
I am researching Hetheringtons in Birkenhead and have reached a brick wall of sorts.....

I have John Hetherington in 1911 census (reg district 452, 37/21994) living with his wife Harriet and also his mother Mary Hetherington.

In 1901 I have John Hetherington (37/3393/33/20) living with his wife and Harriet and children)

In 1881 I have found John Hetherington living with his father John Hetherington and listed is Mary KELLY, mother of family. (both say unmarried)

Having looked at the GRO index John's mother's maiden name is KELLY as are his three siblings.

In 1911 Mary is listed as a widow.  I can't find a marriage for John and Mary and find it strange she is listed as mother of family.

Any help appreciated
Title: Re: Hetherington
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 05 June 24 22:23 BST (UK)
No birthplaces or birthyears given in your post

1911 shows John was b 1875 Liverpool, his brother Charles 1872   Birkenhead & his mother 1847 Liverpool
Title: Re: Hetherington
Post by: *sara* on Wednesday 05 June 24 22:30 BST (UK)
Apologies
So the birth years from gro

John 1871 Birkenhead
Charles 1869 Birkenhead
Which is different from the census
Title: Re: Hetherington
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 05 June 24 22:46 BST (UK)
As they both show themselves as unmarried - for whatever reason - they didn't marry.  My friends grandparents had children from 1890 but didn't marry until 1915 because of religious differences
Title: Re: Hetherington
Post by: Neale1961 on Wednesday 05 June 24 23:38 BST (UK)
I think Mary Kelly might have been Roman Catholic. If the Hetheringtons were not, this might be the reason for no marriage.
Title: Re: Hetherington
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 05 June 24 23:44 BST (UK)
1861 2644 /120/23
Birkenhead
John Hetherington 28 yrs Engine Fitter b Liverpool
Mira 25 yrs b Liverpool

John’s age and occupation match 1881 but not the place of birth
Title: Re: Hetherington
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 05 June 24 23:48 BST (UK)
Marriage 1857 Liverpool
John Hetherington and Maria Gordon Rutherford

Death 1862
Maria Gordon Hetherington

I thought that he may be still married but he wasn’t.
Title: Re: Hetherington
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 06 June 24 00:32 BST (UK)
Here's the link to the 1857 marriage cert - Ancestry sub needed to view

www.rootschat.com/links/01t84/

Title: Re: Hetherington
Post by: *sara* on Thursday 06 June 24 09:27 BST (UK)
How do I know that Maria Gordon Rutherford is the same person. 

And her name is Maria Kelly in the 1881 census.
Children's mmn Kelly.

I'm a little confused

Thanks
Title: Re: Hetherington
Post by: Neale1961 on Thursday 06 June 24 09:58 BST (UK)
Quote from: *sara* on Thursday 06 June 24 09:27 BST (UK)
How do I know that Maria Gordon Rutherford is the same person. 

And her name is Maria Kelly in the 1881 census.
Children's mmn Kelly.

It is not the same person. Did you read reply #6 ?
Title: Re: Hetherington
Post by: heywood on Thursday 06 June 24 10:45 BST (UK)
It is difficult to find Mary Kelly prior to 1871 as her age differs on the censuses.

In 1871 3745/126/42
Mary is 28 yrs born abt 1843
They are transcribed as Wetherington on Ancestry and shown as married.
Title: Re: Hetherington
Post by: heywood on Thursday 06 June 24 11:07 BST (UK)
Sara,
Find My Past has free access to newspapers this weekend. If you search for John Hetherington in 1880s (there may be other articles in other decades) there are several mentions for John snr and the children ranging from failing to send his children to school to more serious crimes.
Title: Re: Hetherington
Post by: *sara* on Thursday 06 June 24 12:53 BST (UK)
Thankyou, I shall enjoy to read these if I can find them.