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My family has assumed the last name of the father in this record is SINNE.
But I'm really not sure now.
Can anyone else have suggestions what the last name of Isaac is?
He is listed as the father of Phillip Carson and the husband of Sotara Pou.
But the last name is listed as what appears to be SINNE?
Thanks for you help.
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It looks like Sinne to me with a dot above (to the right) of the letter 'i' the last letter being the 'e'
Here's a more clear version.
Although the person filling out the record may not have got the spelling correct.
Orangeburg shows some other variations: Senn, Sine, Signh
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Second the Sinne.
Interested in the other surname, I read the handwriting as Pow but I can also see the last letter as a u with a flourish.
I see from a cursory search that there's a connection between the Pows of Scotland and the Pous of South Carolina. Wondering if Pow might have become Pou due to a combination of pronounciation with an accent and reading of handwriting.
S_L
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I read it as Sinue, because the letters are slightly different shapes.
As genealogists we all come across dreadful writing at times, but it is often just as frustrating to get lovely clear writing and you still can't decide what it says!
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Hello
I'm not sure about it being Sinne - or the last letter being an 'e' especially if compared to letter formations in the Cause of death of "Uremic Coma"
For the mother, I think her surname is "Pon" on both this DC and on the 1880 Census:
In 1880, Hebron, Orangeburg, SC
Head: James Pon 60, Farmer, b SC (parents b SC)
Wife: Satyra Pon 70, Attends to housekeeping, b SC (parents b Not Known)
Gr-Daughter: Francis Carson 13, b SC (parents b SC)
And next door, is :
Head: Luis Pon 22, Farmer
Wife: Sylla Pon 20, works in Plantation
Dau: Irena Pon 4
Dau: Henrietta C Pon, 2 mths
All born SC, as are parents.
Also some of the records I came across, corrections offered "Boone" as a surname, instead of Pou or Pon - perhaps changed down the line?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Thank you for all who replied on this thread.
I was unable to find any other SINNE residents in Orangeburg, SC in the same period of time. This made me think it was something other than Sinne.
Sotara is my Great Great Grandmother and we've just assumed and lumped together all of the variations of her name as Pon, Pou, Pough, Pow and I have even seen Pontoo.
I'd be interested to know more about the connections between the Pows of Scotland and the Pous (Pou, Pough, Pon, Pow) of South Carolina.
I'm using myself as the litmus test since I have known South Carolina Pon, Pou, Pough, Pow ancestors and also unknown distant cousins in Scotland.
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I think the name is Sime
Ray
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Thank you for all who replied on this thread.
I was unable to find any other SINNE residents in Orangeburg, SC in the same period of time. This made me think it was something other than Sinne.
Sotara is my Great Great Grandmother and we've just assumed and lumped together all of the variations of her name as Pon, Pou, Pough, Pow and I have even seen Pontoo.
I'd be interested to know more about the connections between the Pows of Scotland and the Pous (Pou, Pough, Pon, Pow) of South Carolina.
I'm using myself as the litmus test since I have known South Carolina Pon, Pou, Pough, Pow ancestors and also unknown distant cousins in Scotland.
There are references to a family history held in the familysearch library
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/46521?availability=Family%20History%20Library (https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/46521?availability=Family%20History%20Library)
An item that referred to the family originating in Spain and then moving over time via France and Scotland to South Carolina but provides no references:
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth795373/m1/306/ (https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth795373/m1/306/)
However under Pow in Black's Surnames of Scotland there's reference to a Gavin Pou emigrating from Scotland to Orangeburg (sadly no original source of this information is indicated) but there's this history of Orangeburg with multiple references to Gavin Pou, his life, family and original records:
https://archive.org/details/historyoforangeb00sall/page/32/mode/2up?q=gavin (https://archive.org/details/historyoforangeb00sall/page/32/mode/2up?q=gavin)
There's also a manuscript family bible for a Pou family held by the University of South Carolina
https://digital.tcl.sc.edu/digital/collection/famrec/id/339/ (https://digital.tcl.sc.edu/digital/collection/famrec/id/339/)
S_L
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Incidentally the South Carolina death indexes include a Roland Sinns in the listings for 1915-1924
https://scdhec.gov/vital-records/death-indexes-genealogy/vital-records-death-indexes-1915-1967 (https://scdhec.gov/vital-records/death-indexes-genealogy/vital-records-death-indexes-1915-1967)
Don't know if you can search the Agricultural Schedules by farmer and try Sinns as a surname, I couldn't access the relevant archives to try, see state by state entry for site address.
https://www.archives.gov/research/census/nonpopulation#agricultural (https://www.archives.gov/research/census/nonpopulation#agricultural)
S_L
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Incidentally the South Carolina death indexes include a Roland Sinns in the listings for 1915-1924
https://scdhec.gov/vital-records/death-indexes-genealogy/vital-records-death-indexes-1915-1967 (https://scdhec.gov/vital-records/death-indexes-genealogy/vital-records-death-indexes-1915-1967)
Don't know if you can search the Agricultural Schedules by farmer and try Sinns as a surname, I couldn't access the relevant archives to try, see state by state entry for site address.
https://www.archives.gov/research/census/nonpopulation#agricultural (https://www.archives.gov/research/census/nonpopulation#agricultural)
S_L
Thank you for this information and thanks to all those who contributed and are following this thread.
At this point I am following several paths with different spellings just so i don't miss Isaac's siblings or parents. Sinns is a path as well.
I'll post my findings here and continue to search Isaac and "Satyra - Sotara".
Both are my paternal ancestors.
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I came across these records and what looks to be the same Gavin Pou (Pow) who moved to Alabama.
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The only thing that made sense to me, is that Carson was Satara's maiden name, with the father Isaac Senn within or out of wedlock, then she is now married to a Pon/Pou. ( informant, ( his son?) wasn't thinking maiden name)
Nothing to back this up, though...Isaac Senn is elusive despite trying several alternative spellings.
I did, however, find an Isaac Sen freed man - Occ plantation worker for one yr
16 Jan 1866 to Jan 1 1868 signed ? Dantzler Orangeburg, South Carolina, United States
Hit arrows to the right for his contract - He signed with an x
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89ZG-DQ8N?i=521
adding:
a tree came up for Isaac & Satyra, with a daughter for them as well.
Also an age for Isaac but he's not visible on any S.C. census...
The census info attached to her is too complicated for me to absorb.
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/GZ44-BM7
with the next husband James Pou 1870 & 1880 census attached
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/GQ3S-ZB6
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Might be your ancestor's plantation he worked on as a free man???
Historic Dantzler plantation house located near Holly Hill, Orangeburg County
https://www.rootsandrecall.com/orangeburg/buildings/dantzler-plantation/
also found this interesting answer to another online query-
https://groups.io/g/OrangeburghSC/message/592
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That answer above was certainly a good hypothesis, given the Pou/Carson/Livingston proximity. How to prove, though, when they are unnamed on census like "property"?
For other's searching...as per the poster's findings ( see images attached above) above:
If this is the correct Pou family, you can see who the ancestors are claimed to be by scrolling down & hitting on the father's names...goes back to Gavin Pou of Scotland (no stone) all buried Orangeburg cemeteries.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/14219115/william_george_washington_pou