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Hi,i cannot find john Crouch,i got his date of birth from his marriage certificate where it states his age as 40 and his bride Selina Young as 24,the marriage took place in tonbridge Kent 1853,the certificate doesn't name the church only as parish church.
That's part one of my problem,i cannot find them in the census apart from Selina before the marriage,on the marriage certificate it gives their residence as Tunbridge wells.
They had 5 children,Edwin 1857 and Alfred 1857 were baptised in Seal Kent,John and Mary Ann twins in Kemsing Kent and William1861 in Stone near Dartford but i cannot find any of them on the census maybe they were strays,i did try workhouse records but no luck there either,if anyone can help i would be most grateful.
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An earlier thread may help searchers https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=859157.msg7279585#msg7279585
Kay
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Thankyou
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An earlier thread may help searchers https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=859157.msg7279585#msg7279585
Kay
Thankyou,i do remember this but i still cannot find them anywhere >:(
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What was John's occupation when he married?
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Hi,labourer
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Here's the marriage certificate gbprs_kent_p371_1_d_5_28
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Hi
In 1861 they seem to living under the surname Burley
Stone Kent
John Burley 40 ag lab Seal
Selina 34 Pemborough
Jane 9 London
Alfred 5 Seal
Edward 4 Seal
Mary Ann 3 Hytham
William 1 month Stone.
Hope that helps
Ciderdrinker
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The youngest son William was also registered as Burley with mother's maiden name Young
BURLEY, WILLIAM mothers maiden name YOUNG
GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 280
also BURLEY, WILLIAM EDWIN mothers maiden name YOUNG
GRO Reference: 1858 S Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 555
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Hi
In 1861 they seem to living under the surname Burley
Stone Kent
John Burley 40 ag lab Seal
Selina 34 Pemborough
Jane 9 London
Alfred 5 Seal
Edward 4 Seal
Mary Ann 3 Hytham
William 1 month Stone.
Hope that helps
Ciderdrinker
Wow,thats all new to me thankyou but the ages don't match for John or Selina as per the 1853 marriage certificate,he was 40 in 1853 and Selina 24 but its intriguing non the less.
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I note all the baptisms you mention on Ancestry but no census returns, I did see the baptism for Edwin & Alfred on freereg, it notes Father John a Labourer abode Underriver. Mary Ann & John were baptised together on 16 Aug 1859 but Mary Ann was born 16 Feb 1858. Wiiliams baptism also on freereg.
GRO registrations below. Mothers Maiden name YOUNG on all
CROUCH, ALFRED
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in SEVENOAKS UNION Volume 02A Page 318
CROUCH, EDWIN
GRO Reference: 1856 D Quarter in SEVENOAKS UNION Volume 02A Page 340
This one not on GRO but on freebmd but a different quarter?
Births Mar 1859
CROUCH Mary Ann
Sevenoaks 2a 309
CROUCH, JOHN
GRO Reference: 1859 J Quarter in SEVENOAKS UNION Volume 02A Page 370
No registration for William on GRO or freebmd?
Colin
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The youngest son William was also registered as Burley with mother's maiden name Young
BURLEY, WILLIAM mothers maiden name YOUNG
GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 280
also BURLEY, WILLIAM EDWIN mothers maiden name YOUNG
GRO Reference: 1858 S Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 555
Great thankyou.
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Possibly daughter Mary Ann?
BURLEY, ANNE MARIA mmn YOUNG
GRO Reference: 1860 S Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 611
I wonder what happened in the late 1850's that resulted in the surname change??
Kay
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Possibly daughter Mary Ann?
BURLEY, ANNE MARIA mmn YOUNG
GRO Reference: 1860 S Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 611
I wonder what happened in the late 1850's that resulted in the surname change??
Kay
Me too,the plot thickens,sounds illegal though lol
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I do not think this is the correct birth for Mary Ann, her mother was Leigh
This one not on GRO but on freebmd but a different quarter?
Births Mar 1859
CROUCH Mary Ann
Sevenoaks 2a 309
So more likely the one posted above.
Colin
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1871 Dartford Union Workhouse, Dartford
John Burley 56 married imate b Seal, Kent Ag Lab
Kay
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1871 Dartford Union Workhouse, Dartford
John Burley 56 married imate b Seal, Kent Ag Lab
Kay
Thanks for all your help :-)
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John is still in the workhouse in 1881 but listed as a widower
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Possibly his death
BURLEY, JOHN 70
GRO Reference: 1887 M Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 286
John Burley
Birth year 1817
Age 70
Burial date 07 Jan 1887
Residence Brought From Dartford (workhouse?)
Place Swanscombe, Ss Peter & Paul
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John is still in the workhouse in 1881 but listed as a widower
I can't find anything on familysearch.org ???
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John is still in the workhouse in 1881 but listed as a widower
I can't find anything on familysearch.org ???
Hopefully this link works https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27W-3LCC
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Possibly his death
BURLEY, JOHN 70
GRO Reference: 1887 M Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 286
John Burley
Birth year 1817
Age 70
Burial date 07 Jan 1887
Residence Brought From Dartford (workhouse?)
Place Swanscombe, Ss Peter & Paul
According to the marriage certificate he was born in1813 so 1817 doesn't match ,maybe a clerical error though.
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The page from the burial register can be found here
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01t7m/
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The page from the burial register can be found here
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01t7m/
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Thanks for that,not convinced he's the right man though.