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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: Wexflyer on Monday 27 May 24 08:15 BST (UK)
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William Crean was born in 1865, in Main St. Wexford, the third of the 10 children of Aidan Peter Crean and his wife Mary Redmond.
His father was a master baker, with a bakery in Main St. Unfortunately, the bakery went bankrupt and was auctioned in December 1881.
Aidan Peter, meanwhile, emigrated to the US, traveling to New York cabin class from Dublin in November 1881, without his family, and proceeded to Chicago. The surviving children and his wife appear to have joined him in Chicago at indeterminate dates over the next few years.
Aidan Peter died in Chicago in 1920, while his wife Mary passed away in 1913
When Mary died in 1913, an obituary notice was printed in a Chicago paper listing the surviving Children - William was one of them.
My issue is that I have found no trace at all of William after his birth registration and baptism in 1865! I know the fate of all his siblings to 1913 - but not his.
He may have gone to the US with the rest of the family, or he was old enough to have remained in Ireland.
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He may have gone to the US with the rest of the family,
Can you account for the rest of them on passenger lists?
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There's a William Crean born 15 Nov 1865 who arrived 23 Apr 1887 per US Naturalization Records Index - occupation driver
Whereabouts in Chicago did the family live?
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He may have gone to the US with the rest of the family,
Can you account for the rest of them on passenger lists?
No. There is an obituary notice for a son, John Crean, in Chicago 1885, recently arrived from Ireland.
Must have come over in dribs and drabs.
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There's a William Crean born 15 Nov 1865 who arrived 23 Apr 1887 per US Naturalization Records Index - occupation driver
Whereabouts in Chicago did the family live?
That isn't William's actual birthday. Not usually that meaningful, but his brother Richard did know his exact birthday.
The 1890 US census does not survive. By 1900 many had gone their own way
- In 1900 Aidan Peter and wife were living with a married daughter Josephine in W. Division St.
- Son, Richard was off in the Philippines, fighting the Spanish-American war.
- Son Joseph
- Two other daughters were married in Chicago - William not with them
- Others all dead
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Death notice for Mary Redmond in 1913
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Birth registration for William Crean 3-Jan-1865
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/supp_births/2349223x.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/supp_births/2349223x.pdf)
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This might just be a coincidence there is a death for a
William A Crane
10 February 1935
Cook County Illinois
It gives his birth date as 8 Jan 1865 Wexford Ireland
Wrong parents names maybe the person registering the death was unsure
Father William
Mother Collins
Both parents born Wexford
I noticed the baptism for William Crean
Baptism date 8 January 1865 Wexford
Father Aiden Creen
Mother Mary Redmond
There is a record on findagrave William Aden Crane
Rosie
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This might just be a coincidence there is a death for a
William A Crane
10 February 1935
Cook County Illinois
It gives his birth date as 8 Jan 1865 Wexford Ireland
Wrong parents names maybe the person registering the death was unsure
Father William
Mother Collins
Both parents born Wexford
I noticed the baptism for William Crean
Baptism date 8 January 1865 Wexford
Father Aiden Creen
Mother Mary Redmond
There is a record on findagrave William Aden Crane
Rosie
Well, that is very interesting, if confusing.
The 8-Jan-1865 baptism is of course that of the William I am researching.
And then to see that same date on the death registration of William "Crane", with parents born Wexford. But both parents names completely wrong.
I think it must be him, despite the difference/error in parents names.
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This might just be a coincidence there is a death for a
William A Crane
10 February 1935
Cook County Illinois
It gives his birth date as 8 Jan 1865 Wexford Ireland
Wrong parents names maybe the person registering the death was unsure
Father William
Mother Collins
Both parents born Wexford
I noticed the baptism for William Crean
Baptism date 8 January 1865 Wexford
Father Aiden Creen
Mother Mary Redmond
There is a record on findagrave William Aden Crane
Rosie
The parish register says born and baptized 8th January - differing from the civil registration. I would tend to believe the parish register.
Also surname is Crean in parish register.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634139#page/224/mode/1up (https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634139#page/224/mode/1up)
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Yes I would say it's most likely the one you are looking for with the middle name
Aden /Aiden .Maybe a wee bit more investigation his wife's name is Elizabeth Hughes and she was also from Ireland .Not found a marriage so far in Ireland
Rosie
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Yes I would say it's most likely the one you are looking for with the middle name
Aden /Aiden .Maybe a wee bit more investigation his wife's name is Elizabeth Hughes and she was also from Ireland .Not found a marriage so far in Ireland
Rosie
There is a marriage in Chicago.
So where were they in 1900, 1910, etc, though. Elusive!
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1900 they were in Chicago Ward 5
Transcribed as Wm Crana on Ancestry
1910 Chicago Ward 2
William Crane 44 born Ireland
Elizabeth Crane 45 born Ireland
Family Josephine 15, William 14, Francis 12,Joseph 10,Belle 8
Rosie
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1900 they were in Chicago Ward 5
Transcribed as Wm Crana on Ancestry
1910 Chicago Ward 2
William Crane 44 born Ireland
Elizabeth Crane 45 born Ireland
Family Josephine 15, William 14, Francis 12,Joseph 10,Belle 8
Rosie
Much obliged to you and Millipede!
I think I saw this Crane family many years ago, but did not think they were "mine", as none of the children were named for the grandparents. William's gravestone and notes thereon seems to confirm that none were so named. Strange - perhaps a falling out, and why the parents names are incorrect on his death registration.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/40047289/william-aden-crane (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/40047289/william-aden-crane)
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I don't have a subscription to newspapers.com.might be more information there to confirm if this William is yours
Rosie
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I don't have a subscription to newspapers.com.might be more information there to confirm if this William is yours
Rosie
Very strange - some details fit perfectly, others not at all. Unusual with this family - in general, they knew who they were, when they were born, etc.
I don't have a US newspaper subscription, only Irish/British - I have no US ancestry, this is a collateral line.
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There is family tree for William on FamilySearch, interesting in that it has details for children, but of course it has the incorrect parents from his death registration.
The parish register for the Cathedral in Chicago, where he married Lizzie Hughes in February 1890 only shows the names of the parties and a single witness. Not even as much as a typical (poor) Irish parish register, which would normally have two witnesses. IIRC, Cook Co. marriage licenses also only show the names of the parties - no parents names.
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Yes I did see that tree on family search the parents names obviously been copied from the death certificate .No other information on the parents and as you said not much information on his marriage certificate .We are lucky here in Scotland with information provided in our certificates .I did have a look on the Irish site for a birth for William with parents mentioned from the death certificate but no luck ???
Rosie
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This might explain where the parents names come from
Death for Elizabeth Crane ( Hughes )
9 May 1932 Chicago Cook Illinois
Birth date 15 November 1864 Ireland
Husband William Crane
Father William Hughes
Mother Ann Collins
And there is a baptism for a Elizabeth Hughes
15 November 1862
Dundalk Louth
Father William Hughes
Mother Anne Cullins
Rosie
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And there is a baptism for a Elizabeth Hughes
15 November 1862
Dundalk Louth
Father William Hughes
Mother Anne Cullins
Middle of right-hand page
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632583#page/192/mode/1up
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And there is a baptism for a Elizabeth Hughes
15 November 1862
Dundalk Louth
Father William Hughes
Mother Anne Cullins
Middle of right-hand page
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632583#page/192/mode/1up
Thanks ;)
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Hi Wexflyer
Just an aside that you may be aware of already. You stated William's Father had a bakery in Main St - the attached item appearing in the People - August 3rd 1878 may assist in identifying roughly on Mian St where the bakery was located.
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Hi Wexflyer
Just an aside that you may be aware of already. You stated William's Father had a bakery in Main St - the attached item appearing in the People - August 3rd 1878 may assist in identifying roughly on Mian St where the bakery was located.
Thank you!
I don't believe I had that one in my collection.
His establishment seemed to move - starting out at in the north end, around Slaney St, in the 1860s, , ending up in South Main St at the end.
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This might explain where the parents names come from
Death for Elizabeth Crane ( Hughes )
9 May 1932 Chicago Cook Illinois
Birth date 15 November 1864 Ireland
Husband William Crane
Father William Hughes
Mother Ann Collins
And there is a baptism for a Elizabeth Hughes
15 November 1862
Dundalk Louth
Father William Hughes
Mother Anne Cullins
Rosie
Well, that explains it all right. But what a bizarre mix up - the informant for William's death registration gave his correct DOB, but his wife's parent's names instead of his own!
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This might explain where the parents names come from
Death for Elizabeth Crane ( Hughes )
9 May 1932 Chicago Cook Illinois
Birth date 15 November 1864 Ireland
Husband William Crane
Father William Hughes
Mother Ann Collins
Rosie
And 15th November again. That earlier appeared as William's birthday - though different year - on a naturalization record.
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I don't think that naturalization record for William Crean with the birth date 15 November
Is your William ???
Rosie
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I don't think that naturalization record for William Crean with the birth date 15 November
Is your William ???
Rosie
Probably so. Not an important detail either way.