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The marriage record for my 2x gt grandmother Ann Wilson to Benjamin Parkin in 1846 at Sheffield Cathedral gives her father as Thomas Wilson, a book keeper.
I have a baptism for an Ann Wilson to Thomas and Ann at Sheffield Cathedral 11 Apr 1824, DOB 24 March 1824.
In the 1841 Census for Stafford St., Sheffield, there is a Thomas Wilson,50 born Yorkshire, wife Ann, 50, children William, Thomas, Ann all 20, Mary and Sarah 15 (presume all ages rounded) but Thomas' occupation looks like Iron founder.
I cannot find them in 1851.
Looking for a marriage for a Thomas Wilson to Ann there are two possibilities, both at Sheffield Cathedral, one in Oct 1811 to Ann Wilkin and one in Nov 1817 to Ann Washington. I cannot work out which one is correct, in order to go further back.
There is a baptism for a William Wilson to Thomas and Ann in 1818, Sheffield Cathedral and a Thomas Wilson in 1821 (Ann's brothers from the 1841 Census?)
Sorry if this is a bit of a lengthy post, but ,I wanted to give the information I had already found, to save duplication of effort, and which may or may not be correct.
Please can anyone help or advise how to get the correct Thomas/Ann marriage.
Thanks for reading,
Tig
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A Benjamin Parkin with wife Ann Parkin and children Joseph age 2 and Anne E age 4 months are living next to a Thomas Wilson with wife Mary in 1851 at Brightside. (Her brother ?).
Is this the right family. Benjamin has the same occupation as that when he married, a Rod Roller
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PARKIN, JOSEPH mmn WILSON
GRO Reference: 1848 S Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 22 Page 572
PARKIN, ANN ELIZABETH mmn WILSON
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 22 Page 619
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The 1851 for Ann gives her age as 24 (bn c1827)
1861 - 34 (bn c1827)
place of birth Sheffield.
Her marriage in May 10th 1846 says she is 22 - was she telling porkies as with a year of birth on census as c1827 she would have been 19/20
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I have a baptism for an Ann Wilson to Thomas and Ann at Sheffield Cathedral 11 Apr 1824, DOB 24 March 1824.
The occupation for Thomas on that baptism is a Labourer.
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A long shot but worth a punt. Wilson of Forth & Wilsontown in Lanarkshire were coal pit owners and Ironfounders. An extended family and members went to England as successful merchants in London & Liverpool and did import / export with Russia & Sweden. One of them was the founder the famous Price's Candles company. I'm trying to prove connections with Wilsons as Solicitors in Broughton and Preston and Rawcliffe Hall as well as a Banker from Sussex.
There is plenty of info on all of it with a Google Search
cheers, Ian
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Who were the witnesses at the marriage 1846, they are often relatives?
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Thanks so much for replying.
Rosie99 - I will check out Thomas & Mary to see if they are family. I had concerns about the difference in age for Ann, but couldn't see a possible baptism in 1827 in Sheffield. Is it likely that Thomas would have been a labourer in 1824 but a book keeper by the marriage in 1846??
Ian - maybe a long shot but well worth looking into, thanks so much.
Amondg - I will have to look up the witnesses and come back.
My main issue, to progress back, is trying to decide whether Thomas Wilson married Ann Wilkin in 1811 or Ann Washington in 1817 or yet another Ann I have yet to find.
All suggestions welcome!
Thanks again
Tig
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Further to my earlier reply, the witnesses to the marriage of Benjamin Parkin and Ann Wilson in 1846 were Joseph Smith and V? Hudson. Benjamin was a widower, previously married in 1843 to Amelia Coates, who died in 1844. Joseph Smith and Hudson were witnesses to that marriage, too. Hudson seems to witness a lot of the marriages.
The witnesses to the Thomas Wilson = Ann Wilkin 1811 marriage were Samuel Sidebottom and what looks like Sarby/Larby?
To Thomas Wilson = Ann Washington in 1817 were Joseph Washington and Joseph Hudson
I don't know if any of this helps. I've been confused by the Wilson family for years. A lot of them in Yorkshire and all using the same names. The Parkins aren't a piece of cake either!!
regards
Tig
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The Parkins aren't a piece of cake either!!
I see what you did there, if that doesn't take the biscuit !
cheers Ian
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The only Thomas Wilson whose occupation comes close.
1841 Hoyle Street, Sheffield
Thomas Wilson 45 Clerk
Elizabeth 45
Elizabeth 15
Margaret 13
Nan 9
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A Benjamin Parkin with wife Ann Parkin and children Joseph age 2 and Anne E age 4 months are living next to a Thomas Wilson with wife Mary in 1851 at Brightside. (Her brother ?).
There are a few Wilsons living in the very near vicinity at Brightside in 1851, who work as millwrights or joiners. I have looked at them, and they appear to be the sons of George Wilson (millwright) and Ruth. So I don't believe they are related to your family.
The other Parkins who are living close by in Brightside in 1851 are probably related however, as they all seem to be in the same occupation as Benjamin.
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There is this Wilson family that you might want to look at further ……..
1841 census Sheffield, Fitzwilliam Street
Mary Wilson 55, Ind
Joseph Wilson 20 Saw maker
William Wilson 20 Silversmith (became surgeon dentist in next census)
Sarah Wilson 15
Aron Green 6
Joseph Wilson married in Sheffield Cathedral in 1845 to Sarah Ann Goodwin (his father was Thomas) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:665K-4ST4
William Wilson married in Sheffield Cathedral in 1842 to Elizabeth Denton (his father was Thomas) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6652-GNGB
Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to see the original marriage records to see what the father’s occupation is. So have not been able to either eliminate, nor confirm as of interest.
Also unable to find baptism records for any of them.
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Sheffield indexers. http://sheffieldindexers.com/ParishMarriageIndex.html
WILSON, Joseph (Bachelor, age 25, Saw handle mr, residing at Thomas St).
Married Sarah Ann GOODWIN, on April 28, 1845, by William Harris (Banns) at
Sheffield Parish Church, Church Street, Sheffield. Father's name is Thos Wilson (Cutler).
Married in the presence of Jno Smith (mark),J Hudson.
Notes: Bride and Groom signed with a mark.
WILSON, William (Bachelor, age 21, Silver plater, residing at Norfolk St).
Married Elizabeth DENTON, on January 1, 1842, by Thos Sutton (Banns) at
Sheffield Parish Church, Church Street, Sheffield. Father's name is Thos H Wilson (Ivory turner).
Married in the presence of John Denton,J Hudson.
Notes: Groom signed with a mark.
Page No: 103 Reg No: 205
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Benjamin Parkin dies 1864 age 44.
In 1877 Ann Parkin marries Thomas York reg. Sheffield.
**Do you have the 2nd marriage of Ann Parkin nee Wilson does she still say her father is Thomas and a Book Keeper??
1881 census Benjamin Parkin and Maria Parkin transcribed as Parker on ancestry are living with Thomas York and Ann York (formerly Parkin nee Wilson) listed as step children.
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From Benjamin's first marriage he had son George who he named for paternal grandfather.
With Ann Wilson he had:-
Joseph 1848 (who is he named for ?)
Ann Elizabeth 1850 - named for mother and paternal grandmother?
Alfred 1852 died 1853 age 0 or 1854 age 1 death certificate needed to verify
Benjamin 1854 - named for his father
Thomas 1856 died 1856 age 0 (4th son likely named for Benjamin's brother)
Edward 1857 died 1860 age 3
Wilson 1860 died 1863 age 2 (mothers maiden name)
Maria 1864 (named for Benjamin's sister)
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George Parkin widower married Elizabeth Jessop spinster 16 March 1819 - Cathedral Sheffield
Children
Benjamin born 14 December 1819 , bap. 26 July 1820 father slitter and roller
NOTE on the same day bap George son of George and Sarah born 16 December 1815 is this a son from his previous marriage, father slitter and roller.
Mary Hannah born 5 October 1824 bap 18 March 1825
Alfred born 14 June 1827 bap 20 February 1828
Maria born 29 January 1830 bap. 7 March 1830
Thomas born 11 February 1832 bap. 28 March 1832.
1841 census
George Parkin 50 - Roller
Elizabeth 47
Benjamin 21
Alfred 13
Maria 11
Thomas 9
sister Mary Hannah 15 is a female servant of her uncle Joseph Jessop.
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1851
Alfred Parkin 23
Mary Parkin 26 sister
Maria Parkin 21 sister
Thomas Parkin 19 brother
George 7 nephew (son of Benjamin and his first wife Amelia Coates)
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Sheffield Daily Telegraph dated 28 May 1864
DIED On the 26th instant much and deservedly respected Mr. Benjamin Parkin of Brightside, aged 44.
He was in the employ of Messrs. W Jessop and Sons for upward of 27 years.
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1877 marriage of Ann to Thomas York
Father is Thomas Wilson…..A cutler!
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Thanks mckha489.
So dad was first a book keeper and now a cutler!
I wonder if he existed, did she make him up?
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Just putting information all together here, in case it is worth considering.
The occupation of "cutler" seems to include a broad range of skills.
There is this Wilson family that you might want to look at further ……..
1841 census Sheffield, Fitzwilliam Street
Mary Wilson 55, Ind
Joseph Wilson 20 Saw maker (married Sarah Ann Goodwin)
William Wilson 20 Silversmith (Married Elizabeth Denton - became surgeon dentist in next census)
Sarah Wilson 15
Aron Green 6
Marriages
WILSON, Joseph (Bachelor, age 25, Saw handle mr, residing at Thomas St).
Married Sarah Ann GOODWIN, on April 28, 1845, by William Harris (Banns) at
Sheffield Parish Church, Church Street, Sheffield. Father's name is Thos Wilson (Cutler).
Married in the presence of Jno Smith (mark),J Hudson.
Notes: Bride and Groom signed with a mark.
WILSON, William (Bachelor, age 21, Silver plater, residing at Norfolk St).
Married Elizabeth DENTON, on January 1, 1842, by Thos Sutton (Banns) at
Sheffield Parish Church, Church Street, Sheffield. Father's name is Thos H Wilson (Ivory turner).
Married in the presence of John Denton,J Hudson.
Baptisms
WILSON, Ann (of Shefd, born 1813-01-27).
Baptised February 24, 1813, by G Harrison at Sheffield Parish Church, Church Street, Sheffield.
Parents name(s) are Mary & Thomas (Ivrey turner).
Wilson, Joseph (of Sheffield, born 1817-10-30).
Baptised December 7, 1817, by Thos Sutton at Sheffield Parish Church, Church Street, Sheffield.
Parents name(s) are Mary & Thomas (Turner).
Wilson, William (of Sheffield, born 1820-01-27).
Baptised March 8, 1820, by E Goodwin at Sheffield Parish Church, Church Street, Sheffield.
Parents name(s) are Mary & Thomas (Ivory turner).
Wilson, Sarah (of Sheffield, born 1822-11-20).
Baptised December 25, 1822, by T Sutton at Sheffield Parish Church, Church Street, Sheffield.
Parents name(s) are Mary & Thomas (Ivory Turner).
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Likely?
WILSON, Thomas (Bachelor, age ~, ~, residing at of this Parish).
Married Mary TYSON, on May 17, 1812, by George Harrison, Minister (Banns) at
Sheffield Parish Church, Church Street, Sheffield. Father's name is ~ (~).
Married in the presence of James Pogmore (mark),John Sorby.
Notes: Bride & Groom signed with a mark.
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But Ann baptised 1813 is surely too old.
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But Ann baptised 1813 is surely too old.
It does seem so, but I have learned to always question and never to rely too much on ages on records, especially women. It is an option to consider, while still looking for other possibilities.
(My g-grandmother had me confused for a long time, until I discovered that from her marriage record through all the census records and including her death, she claimed she was at least 10 years younger than she actually was. I don’t think she liked being a spinster at age 33, so when she married she claimed to be 21. Also a similar story with a male ancestor who changed his age by 10 years to be closer to his wife’s age.)
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I think this is the death of George Parkin father of Benjamin.
26 December 1846 Sheffield Daily Telegraph
Inquest George Parkin age 55. A long article to include all aspects required of an inquest.
Paraphrasing.
He was a clever workman, steel melter in the employ of Messrs. Jessop and Sons unfortunately addicted to intemperance.
His death was reported March quarter 1847, reg. Sheffield.
His wife Elizabeth possible death June quarter 1846 age 51 reg. Sheffield.
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Thank you all for your replies. I need to take some time to sort through it.
Does anyone have an opinion yet on which Ann was married to Thomas?
Your help is appreciated.
Tig