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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: Vixen999 on Wednesday 08 May 24 06:23 BST (UK)
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Hi
How easy is it to find records, birth registrations or marriage for those born or who were in Prussia before relocating to England.
I have a family Robert Battle and wife Hannah who had a few children in Prussia before relocating to Hull, Yorkshire. Two of the children Emel/Amel? Pole/Powell were born in Prussia and I wondered how easy it would be to locate their birth records and also the marriage record of Robert and Hannah as Im unsure on Hannah's surname. They did have some children in Hull/Yorkshire but locating the records with a view to finding Hannah's maiden name has been difficult.
Are there any good sites where records such as birth and marriages that took place in Prussia can be researched?
Thanks
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there is no robert listed - but maybe that was the Anglicised version of his birth name - do you know which town / city he was born in and year of birth ??
have a sift through these and see if anything rings a bell .
https://en.geneanet.org/fonds/individus/?size=10&ignore_each_patronyme=&ignore_each_prenom=&type_periode=between&exact_month=&exact_day=&exact_year=&sexe=&nom=battle&ignore_each_patronyme=&prenom=robert&prenom_operateur=or&ignore_each_prenom=&place__0__=&zonegeo__0__=Germany&country__0__=DEU®ion__0__=&subregion__0__=&place__1__=&zonegeo__1__=&country__1__=®ion__1__=&subregion__1__=&place__2__=&zonegeo__2__=&country__2__=®ion__2__=&subregion__2__=&place__3__=&zonegeo__3__=&country__3__=®ion__3__=&subregion__3__=&place__4__=&zonegeo__4__=&country__4__=®ion__4__=&subregion__4__=&type_periode=between&from=&to=&exact_month=&exact_day=&exact_year=&go=1
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do you know what year the first Battle child was born in Hull ?
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Mary J Battle - West Sulcoates Hull - 1853
Anna Battle - West Sulcoates Hull - 1858
Thomas - """""""""""""""""""""""""" - 1859
Nancy - """""""""""""""""""""""""""" - 1868
are these Robert and Hannahs children born Hull ??
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OK - Hannahs birth place on 1851 census is Poland - not Prussia
Robert is a Tailor aged 25 born Prussia
Pole Battle aged 2 born Prussia
and they have a son Cornelia Battle b 1850 aged 0 born Hull
...................no sign of Emel / Amel
maybe look for a marriage of Cornelia Battle and Pole Battle ???
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ADDED - Possible marriage of Robert and Hannas Grandaughter
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QL1L-49WK
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#1:
Could these be a couple of births with variations of mum Hannah’s maiden name?:
BATTLE, JAMES
Mother’s maiden name: HOSKEY
GRO Reference: 1856 J Quarter in DONCASTER IN THE COUNTIES OF YORK AND NOTTINGHAM Volume 09C Page 455
(baptism: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:66B5-WNL2)
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BATTLE, ALBERT
Mother’s maiden name: HOSKIN
GRO Reference: 1859 J Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW Volume 09C Page 24
#2:
The family had moved to London by the 1871 census, but I’m wondering whether Pole/Powell stayed behind in Sheffield and started using the name Robert (like his dad). E.g. this 1869 marriage to Alice Kirk: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6652-YL3T
If this is him, it would mean that he was born in Berlin and a tailor like his probable dad:
1881 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27Y-XY6C
1891 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7LKJ-KMM
etc
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there is no robert listed - but maybe that was the Anglicised version of his birth name - do you know which town / city he was born in and year of birth ??
have a sift through these and see if anything rings a bell .
https://en.geneanet.org/fonds/individus/?size=10&ignore_each_patronyme=&ignore_each_prenom=&type_periode=between&exact_month=&exact_day=&exact_year=&sexe=&nom=battle&ignore_each_patronyme=&prenom=robert&prenom_operateur=or&ignore_each_prenom=&place__0__=&zonegeo__0__=Germany&country__0__=DEU®ion__0__=&subregion__0__=&place__1__=&zonegeo__1__=&country__1__=®ion__1__=&subregion__1__=&place__2__=&zonegeo__2__=&country__2__=®ion__2__=&subregion__2__=&place__3__=&zonegeo__3__=&country__3__=®ion__3__=&subregion__3__=&place__4__=&zonegeo__4__=&country__4__=®ion__4__=&subregion__4__=&type_periode=between&from=&to=&exact_month=&exact_day=&exact_year=&go=1
Hi the info I have for Robert is
BIRTH 1826 • Preußen, Germany
DEATH MARCH 1906 • Lambeth, London, England
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do you know what year the first Battle child was born in Hull ?
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Mary J Battle - West Sulcoates Hull - 1853
Anna Battle - West Sulcoates Hull - 1858
Thomas - """""""""""""""""""""""""" - 1859
Nancy - """""""""""""""""""""""""""" - 1868
are these Robert and Hannahs children born Hull ??
There are the children I have
Robert BATTLE
1846–1919
Powell Battle
1849–
Sophia Battle - found a record that was mis transcribed and believe Sophia may be one of the battle children
1850–1865
Emil Battle - Hull
1851–
Edit
James Battle - Doncaster
1856–1945
Albert Battle ecclesall bierlow
1859–
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#1:
Could these be a couple of births with variations of mum Hannah’s maiden name?:
BATTLE, JAMES
Mother’s maiden name: HOSKEY
GRO Reference: 1856 J Quarter in DONCASTER IN THE COUNTIES OF YORK AND NOTTINGHAM Volume 09C Page 455
(baptism: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:66B5-WNL2)
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BATTLE, ALBERT
Mother’s maiden name: HOSKIN
GRO Reference: 1859 J Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW Volume 09C Page 24
#2:
The family had moved to London by the 1871 census, but I’m wondering whether Pole/Powell stayed behind in Sheffield and started using the name Robert (like his dad). E.g. this 1869 marriage to Alice Kirk: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6652-YL3T
If this is him, it would mean that he was born in Berlin and a tailor like his probable dad:
1881 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27Y-XY6C
1891 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7LKJ-KMM
etc
This Robert is the son of Senior Robert Battle born 1826
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#1:
Could these be a couple of births with variations of mum Hannah’s maiden name?:
BATTLE, JAMES
Mother’s maiden name: HOSKEY
GRO Reference: 1856 J Quarter in DONCASTER IN THE COUNTIES OF YORK AND NOTTINGHAM Volume 09C Page 455
(baptism: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:66B5-WNL2)
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BATTLE, ALBERT
Mother’s maiden name: HOSKIN
GRO Reference: 1859 J Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW Volume 09C Page 24
#2:
The family had moved to London by the 1871 census, but I’m wondering whether Pole/Powell stayed behind in Sheffield and started using the name Robert (like his dad). E.g. this 1869 marriage to Alice Kirk: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6652-YL3T
If this is him, it would mean that he was born in Berlin and a tailor like his probable dad:
1881 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27Y-XY6C
1891 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7LKJ-KMM
etc
This Robert is the son of Senior Robert Battle born 1826
And yes, thats the variants of Hannah's surname I have found on the gro. However, Im wondering if they have become anglicized as she was born in Poland or Russia
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There are the children I have
Robert BATTLE
1846–1919
Powell Battle
1849–
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As mentioned before ....
I believe Pole/Powell and Robert are possibly the same person born abt 1848 in Berlin (The important thing is that this location would narrow down your search in Germany!!).
The Battle family in 1851 with only 1 son born in Germany and 1 in England: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG1K-14X
If Powell changed his name to Robert, it is possible that dad Robert (b abt 1825/6) might have had a totally different first name as well!
If you are convinced that they Pole and Robert jr are two different people, can you supply the data that you are basing this on?
(NB I can't find Pole after the 1861 census, and can't find Robert jr before his 1869 marriage)
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And yes, thats the variants of Hannah's surname I have found on the gro. However, Im wondering if they have become anglicized as she was born in Poland or Russia
Her surname is most likely anglicized, but it still gives you something to work with. The orginal name could have been something like "Huske(r)", "Hoske(r)", "Hoskówna" or "Chosak" etc
"Battle" is most likely anglicized as well. Originally it could have been "Batl", "Bartel", "Batlewska" etc
The more little snippets you can find and supply here, the better .. especially because German research is not easy. Even the kids names are important because kids were often named after grandparents or siblings.
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There are the children I have
Robert BATTLE
1846–1919
Powell Battle
1849–
...
As mentioned before ....
I believe Pole/Powell and Robert are possibly the same person born abt 1848 in Berlin (The important thing is that this location would narrow down your search in Germany!!).
The Battle family in 1851 with only 1 son born in Germany and 1 in England: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG1K-14X
If Powell changed his name to Robert, it is possible that dad Robert (b abt 1825/6) might have had a totally different first name as well!
If you are convinced that they Pole and Robert jr are two different people, can you supply the data that you are basing this on?
(NB I can't find Pole after the 1861 census, and can't find Robert jr before his 1869 marriage)
I have Robert Senior born 1826, then Robert his son born around 1848 prussia, british subject, then that Robert also had a son Robert battle. The Battle family married into the Swinden family which is on my nans side of the family.
I have a newspaper article about Robert Senior - who attempted to commit suicide upon finding out his mother died was charged with trying to destroy himself tho this was discharged. It describes him as Prussian by birth, married with children. I dont know if Pole/Powell was his original name but I cant see why someone called Pole or Powell would change to Robert. I did find a record for Emil - This is an Amil = tailor who is listed on one of the census's who is also one of Robert Seniors children but the trail goes cold for him.
1851 census there is Hannah and Robert and two children Pole and Porndia tho the actual census looks like Candice
1861 Robert Battle 35
Ann Battle 34
Powell Battle 12
Annal Battle 10 - Think the name is Emel/Emil as found another record later on in life for Emil Tailor - Says born Kingston Hull but cant find any record
James Battle 4 = Records found for James birth registration
Albert Battle 2 - Records found for Alberts birth registration
1871 Robert Buttle 45
Anna Buttle 40
James Buttle 15
Albert Buttle 11
Amel Buttle 20
1881 Just Hannah and Robert on the census
1901 Just Robert senior on the census
There was a travel abroad record for Robert senior
Name Robert Battle
Gender Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality Prussian (German)
Age 41
Birth Date abt 1827
Place of Origin Prussia
Departure Port Le Havre, France and London, England
Destination New York
Arrival Date 20 Mar 1868
Arrival Port New York, New York, USA
Ship Name Bellona
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do you know what year the first Battle child was born in Hull ?
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Mary J Battle - West Sulcoates Hull - 1853
Anna Battle - West Sulcoates Hull - 1858
Thomas - """""""""""""""""""""""""" - 1859
Nancy - """""""""""""""""""""""""""" - 1868
are these Robert and Hannahs children born Hull ??
No not that I am aware. The first child born in Kingston - upon Hull is Amel Emil? around 1851 but I cannot find a record. James was born in Doncaster BATTLE, JAMES HOSKEY GRO Reference: 1856 J Quarter in DONCASTER IN THE COUNTIES OF YORK AND NOTTINGHAM Volume 09C Page 455
And Albert was born in BATTLE, ALBERT HOSKIN GRO Reference: 1859 J Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW Volume 09C Page 243. Robert or Pole/Powell was born in Germany
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Name Emil Battle
Residence Date 1890
Street Address 167 Cleveland street, Fitzroy square W
Residence Place London, England
Occupation Tailor