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Title: Finding information about Harriett Babb, nee Hart
Post by: Debs1962 on Wednesday 08 May 24 00:25 BST (UK)
My great, great Grandmother was born Harriett Hart. I believe she had her first born (my great nan also Harriett, born Hart and married name Atkinson) before she married her husband George Babb. The family lived in Wolverhampton.

We know that unfortunately she was committed to a mental institute sometime between 1891 and 1900. I can see on records for a hospital in Cheddleton a lady of this name as a patient, her age matches and her profession in the hospital was listed as a japanner (other members of her family had similar professions). After this I am lost.

I would love to know when she died, where she is buried and why she was admitted in the first place but I have no idea where to start. I believe the hospital was St Edward's.

Is anyone able to make any suggestions I could try please?
Title: Re: Finding information about Harriett Babb, nee Hart
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 08 May 24 01:11 BST (UK)
What is the connection to South Africa as you have posted on the SA board?

The marriage to George Babb was 1889 Wolverhampton
Title: Re: Finding information about Harriett Babb, nee Hart
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 08 May 24 01:19 BST (UK)
In 1911 she is still in the county lunatic asylum in Cheddleton aged 52.  Diagnosis chronic melancholia

See
https://www.staffsnameindexes.org.uk/default.aspx?Index=U

https://www.staffsnameindexes.org.uk/default.aspx?RecordID=14620&Index=U&LastName=Babb&InstitutionID=2&Occupation=&YearFrom=1891&YearTo=1920&YearType=0&Part=0
Title: Re: Finding information about Harriett Babb, nee Hart
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 08 May 24 01:22 BST (UK)
She died in March qtr 1941 aged 81
Ref is Wednesbury 6b 1689
www.freebmd.org.uk

She can be found on the 1939 register & was not in hospital at that time.  We are not allowed to post 1939 info that can only be obtained via subscription

I think George Babb died 1934.  The 1891 census shows a 7mth old son Richard Babb.  In 1901 both Richard & Harriett are living with George
Title: Re: Finding information about Harriett Babb, nee Hart
Post by: Debs1962 on Wednesday 08 May 24 18:35 BST (UK)
@Carole W

Thank you so much for responding.

Firstly I have realised I posted this in totally the wrong section. I'm sorry (I wasn't paying attention)

The Harriett Babb you found for Wednesbury isn't the same one as my great great nan I'm afraid. I have looked into this lady and there are a number of differences to show this isn't the same Harriett Babb.

I can quite understand her having chronic melancolia as I believe her issues were linked to post natal depression.

Thank you for your help so far. It is appreciated.
Title: Re: Finding information about Harriett Babb, nee Hart
Post by: Ashtone on Wednesday 08 May 24 18:53 BST (UK)
1921 census - She's (still) a patient at the County Lunatic Asylum in Cheddleton. Age 61, 11 months.

Is this her death?

Deaths Dec 1938 
BABB    Harriet    79    Cheadle    6b   307    

These two links may be of interest, as they mention patient records:

https://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/Heritage-and-Archives/Events-and-projects/asylums.aspx
https://staffordshireasylumrecords.wordpress.com/
Title: Re: Finding information about Harriett Babb, nee Hart
Post by: Ashtone on Wednesday 08 May 24 20:16 BST (UK)
1901 census -- H Babb is a patient in the Stafford County Lunatic Asylum. Born 1860 in Wolverhampton. Married. No occupation.
Title: Re: Finding information about Harriett Babb, nee Hart
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 08 May 24 20:35 BST (UK)
Quote from: Ashtone on Wednesday 08 May 24 18:53 BST (UK)

Is this her death?

Deaths Dec 1938 
BABB    Harriet    79    Cheadle    6b   307    


It could be as husband George Babb is widowed by 1939

Edit to add - digital image available of death certificate  from GRO cost £2.50
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp
Title: Re: Finding information about Harriett Babb, nee Hart
Post by: Debs1962 on Wednesday 08 May 24 21:49 BST (UK)
@Ashtone,

Thank you, you have provided new information for me. I'm grateful.

I had a feeling she passed away whilst still at St Edward's Hospital. I've not been able to see the 1921 census as yet. I think 1938 is strong possibility, especially as Ladyhawk made a good point about my great great grandad on the 1939 census. I hadn't noticed the widower bit .
Title: Re: Finding information about Harriett Babb, nee Hart
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 08 May 24 22:00 BST (UK)
Debs1962 - FreeREG gives details of Harriet Babb burial 1938

https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/61097436f493fd6cc90e0cf2/harriet-babb-burial-staffordshire-cheddleton-1938-12-02?locale=en
Title: Re: Finding information about Harriett Babb, nee Hart
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 08 May 24 22:12 BST (UK)
She died 28th Nov 1938 buried 2nd Dec Her entry no 1095 scroll down to page 158 of 199

https://www.cheddleton-pc.org/media/Amenities/ST-EDWARDS-ASYLUM-CHEDDLETON-CEMETERY-1903-1971.pdf
Title: Re: Finding information about Harriett Babb, nee Hart
Post by: Debs1962 on Wednesday 08 May 24 22:19 BST (UK)
Ladyhawk,  thank you. This is more very useful information for me .
Title: Re: Finding information about Harriett Babb, nee Hart
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 08 May 24 22:27 BST (UK)
Quote from: Debs1962 on Wednesday 08 May 24 22:19 BST (UK)
Ladyhawk,  thank you. This is more very useful information for me .

Here’s some info. on burial grounds
https://www.cheddleton-pc.org/Contents/ContentItems/4na0v97vb2ea7yrf1trsawss4d

Edit to add  https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/c/F125596

Maybe of help

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1899-1985: patient records   
Staffordshire and Stoke-on-Trent Archive Service: Staffordshire County Record Office
D6020
NRA 3515 Staffs RO misc