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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: Mildred298 on Saturday 04 May 24 12:52 BST (UK)
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I often see clues which align with a person in my tree and show the film entry and reference. How do you get to see the actual film record.
Example:
Name James Bartholemew Mummary
Gender Male
Marriage Date 16 Aug 1823
Marriage Place Minster-In-Sheppey, Kent, England
Spouse Mary Ann Kitchingham
FHL Film Number 1835503
Reference ID item 3 p 185
Thanks for any clues,
Mildred
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You used to order the fiche and view it it an LDS family history centre - much of it is online now at Family Search
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Thanks, I'll have a "butcher's hook".
Mildred
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And if it hasn't made it onto familysearch.org , then the local lds family history Centre can access it online through their computers
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To see if it is on FamilySearch. Go to “catalogue”. Sorry “Catalog” 😀
Enter the film number in the appropriate box
If the result has a key above the camera icon you have to go to an affiliate library to view it
But if there is no key, start reading.
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Unfortunately this film is 'locked' and you can only see the actual image at an LDS centre or 'affiliate library'. You could check your local library to see if it's available there - my local library is part of the bigger city library system, and they are deemed an 'affiliate library'.
The transcription from the Kent marriages film also gives them as both 'single' but no ages are transcribed, so it's possible they are not recorded on the entry. As this is before 1837, it's also unlikely there will be any fathers' names given either.
If you search the film number you have given for 'Mummary', there are 6 other records with that name.
A Thomas Mummary 29 Nov 1823, aged 62.
A John Mummary 1 March 1821, aged 39.
An Abigail Mummary 2 June 1833. aged 0.
and 3 marriages of Mummary girls, Elizabeth 1815, Sarah 1834 and Mary 1823.
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You get some more detail from the FreeReg transcription. (I don’t think you would see more than this on the original image.)
MARRIAGE - Parish register, entry 555
16 Aug 1823, St Mary and St Sexburga, Minster (Sheppey)
James Bartholomew MUMMARY – bachelor
Mary Ann KITCHINGHAM – Spinster
Bride & groom signed with a mark
Witnesses - Ann MUMMERY, W. CHAMPION
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The microfische may well be located at Kent Archives where you can book a Reader.
Certainly Manchester Archives have their microfische records available to view on a reader, same with Yorkshire Archives.
Hence the file in question may not be at a LDS center.
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If you do go to a LDS centre couldn't you just look at it on findmypast?
"You can use Findmypast for free at any FamilySearch center."
https://www.familysearch.org/en/help/helpcenter/article/how-do-i-sign-up-for-partner-access-to-findmypast
There's an image of something on there in Kent Marriages and Banns, the transcript may not be perfect!
James Bartholomew + Mary Ann Ritchingham
Minster in Sheppey, Ss Mary & Sexburga, 1823
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Findmypast is also available in East Sussex and West Sussex libraries
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If you do go to a LDS centre couldn't you just look at it on findmypast?
"You can use Findmypast for free at any FamilySearch center."
https://www.familysearch.org/en/help/helpcenter/article/how-do-i-sign-up-for-partner-access-to-findmypast
There's an image of something on there in Kent Marriages and Banns, the transcript may not be perfect!
James Bartholomew + Mary Ann Ritchingham
Minster in Sheppey, Ss Mary & Sexburga, 1823
Most of the Kent parish registers and original images are on Findmypast, some for Medway are linked to pdf scans at Medway Archives, but most can be directly accessed on Findmypast. Ancestry only has a very limited snapshot of Kent parish registers which come from the LDS/Mormon indexes.
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Good find John :)
James Bartholomew Mummary -otp -Bachelor - Marked (x)
Mary Ann Ritchingham - otp - spinster. (Image does look like Ritchingham, she did not sign)
Witnesses Ann Mummery & N. Champion(?)
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Thanks everyone for your help.
What you sometimes get from marriage records are the fathers' names, whether they are deceased and their profession. I guess it's the records post around 1830 that have that information.
I'm sure you all use this "side" information to confirm if it's the right couple getting married and also to confirm facts about the others on the marriage record. If the subjects sign with a mark that also sometimes confirms facts, eg. if previously they've signed something.
thanks all again,
Mildred
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The extra information on fathers is generally after registration started in 1837 :)