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Hoping someone can help please. I am enclosing my GG Grandparent's Marriage Certificate. They were married in Bradford, the month, they emigrated on the ' Bolton' to Nelson, NZ
John Mortimer's father is John - Hair cutter? & Caroline Nichols father is Andrew- Painter & Glazier.
I have found John in the 1841 census? living with Matthew & Ann Gerrish & family in Holt. Interesting that some of the Gerrish children emigrated later to Nelson, NZ
I haven't been able to locate Caroline Nichols or her father Andrew in the 1841 census, or John's father.
On their Death Certificates - John born in Bath, Somerset and Caroline in Suffolk.
Any help would be very much appreciated. regards, Margaret, NZ
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I am wondering if that's "stone cutter" rather than "hair cutter"
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The H is the same as in Holt, and the dot on the i is a bit to the right. So I'd said Hair.
I'm not sure why he wouldn't have been called a barber, except for one possibility: hair was also used for a coarse cloth, haircloth or sackcloth. So perhaps he was a coarse cloth cutter?
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I agree with Hair Cutter - especially as Caroline's occupation is Barber?
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One of the Gerrish children - just checking MMN :-\
GERRISH, KEZIAH mmn FERRIS
GRO Reference: 1838 Dec Quarter in THE BRADFORD UNION Volume 08 Page 257
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The witness John Mortimer is possibly his father
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Thank you Shaun J and Vance - I wondered if father John had something to do with the cloth industry
Thank you K Garrad - I think Caroline's occupation is Burler - which is associated with the cloth industry. Also thank you Rosie 99 re the witness to Keziah Gerrish marriage. regards, Margaret
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Carolines occupation has been transcribed as Burler :-\
1. : one that removes loose threads, knots, and other imperfections from cloth.
2. : one that inspects rugs before the finishing process, mends dropped stitches on the back, and pulls matching yarn into spots where tufts are missing or shearing is uneven.
ADDED Got red message but posted anyway ;D
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? Could be a connection
Family Search
Marriage at Warminster, Wiltshire (12 miles from Holt)
17 July 1837
Thomas NICHOLLS - aged 24 c 1813
Occupation: Painter & Glazier
father's name: Andrew M P NICHOLLS
Occupation: Painter & Glazier
Sarah TWYFORD aged 21, residence place: Warner
c 1816 - single - occupation: WEAVER
Spouse father's name: John TWYFORD, occupation: Weaver
etc etc.
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I wondered about Andrew Michael Penhall Nicholls earlier, he married at Bradford on Avon to Eliza Hazard on 4th Feb 1812.
ADDED Michael Thomas Nicholls was born February 1813, parents Andrew Michael & Eliza Nicholls at Bradford
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Just posting in case :)
Michael Penhall Nicholls is mentioned in the London Gazette in 1822
-formerly of Wells, Somerset and late of Bradford, Wiltshire - shopkeeper, painter & glazier
He is living in Bradford on Avon in 1841
H0107/1166 bk8 f36 p13
Michael P Nicholls - 45 - Glazier - not born in county
John 14
Mary 12
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Emily & Thomas Barrett and 1 yr old George Barrett (Added Surname is Barnett on marriage, see next post)
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Death Mar 1840
NICHOLLS Eliza age 47
Bradford Union 8 176
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marriage reg
Emily Eliza Nicholls march qtr 1839 Bradford on Avon vol 8 pg 349 to Thomas Barnett
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Good find Osprey, It does look like Barrett on the census :)
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I wonder if they all went to NZ :-\
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Emily may have died?
Emily Barnett 26 sept qtr 1841 Bradford vol 8 pg 163
Also
Michael Thomas Nicholls 36 march qtr 1850 Frome vol 10 pg 330
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The baptism of Michael Thomas Nicholls was non-conformist
Burial 8 Aug 1841 Countess of Huntingdon Chapel, Bearfield - Emily Barnett 26
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Capetown, Osprey and Rosie 99 - that is amazing what you have found on the Nicholls & Barretts. My Great Grandmother- the eldest child of John and Caroline born in NZ was named Emily Eliza. I am sure you have nailed it. Thank you. Margaret
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Googling on the 'net'
Pigot's & Co's Trade Directory 1830 Wiltshire
A few websites
Bradford on Avon Museum Pigot's Commercial Directory 1830
(If you Google, Woolley Street, Bradford Upon Avon there are some old ‘coloured’ photos dated 1850 etc.)
Under: Painters, plumbers, glaziers
NICHOLLS, Michael, Woolley Street
At least it shows Michael was there in 1830.
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AUCTIONEERS
Nicholls, Samuel, near the Bridge
Also under the Heading: Miscellaneous is:
GERRISH, James, Hackney Master, Mill Street.
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Thank you Capetown for these sites. Very interesting, regards, Margaret
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Michael was listed in 1842 :-\
Listed under Painters and Glaziers for Bradford and Neighbourhoods.
Ref: J. Pigot, Commercial Directory.
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Wiltshire OPC Project
Pilot’s & Co Directory Extract 1822 Bradford on Avon
NICHOLLS Elizabeth : Linen Draper &c. Pippet Street
NICHOLLS Michael P : Plumber & Glazier. Coppice Street
NICHOLLS Samuel : Cabinet Maker & Upholsterer. Near the Bridge
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Thanks so much Rosie99 & Capetown. It looks like Michael Andrew P. Nicholls was listed at Bradford between 1820 - 1842. regards, Margaret
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? Was there any witnesses to the marriage of Andrew Michael Penhall NICHOLLS to Eliza HAZARD 4 February 1812.
The surname PENHALL appears to be originated from the Village of PENHALE in Cornwall.
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Had a quick check for any HAZARD Wills on the National Archives
Just Google: A2a
This takes you to the website DISCOVERY/THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES - search
Interesting, there is a Will of RICHARD HAZARD otherwise HARFORD of Bradford, Wiltshire - dated 4 September 1837.
I'm registered with the National Archives - and if you do, you can download the Will for free.
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I've had a quick look at the Will, and Richard appears to be unmarried, and just lists a few names including a Richard HAZARD otherwise HARFORD of London.
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What it does show, is that HALFORD appears to be an Alias for HAZARD.
There are a number of HARFORDS's on the 1841 census Bradford Upon Avon.
In my Wiltshire line, I do have an Alias surname, which went on for a number of generations.
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Here is the marriage - I can't make out the witnesses's names
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Can see they married by Licence. A Licence and also a (Bond, which is required) should give more details of their ages, occupations etc. All Gloucestershire Licences have been transcribed by The Forest of Dean Family History Forum and these are invaluable.
I’ve got a copy Wiltshire Bond when my x Grandparents married in Wootton Bassett.
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Where would I get a License and Bond from? Also about The National Archives Discovery - no I am not registered. I used to be able to download through Discovery through being a member of the NZSG but I am not a member now. Thanks for your help. I have been trying to look for the children listed on the 1841 census - John 14 and Mary Nicholls 12 both born in county, but no luck. Margaret
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To use the National Archives which is based in LONDON
Just Google:
a2A
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Up comes a list of a few website.......
About 4 websites down is:
Discovery | The National Archives
This will take you straight to the heading:
Explore the catalogue
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Or use this link.
The National Archives - website
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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As regards Licences/Bonds.
Some Counties are on various websites.
I did look at The Wiltshire Family History website - who do have a surname list of Licences/Bonds. Couldn't see Nicholls etc.
Sometimes the couple got the Licences in another County. Perhaps another Contributor can advise you. A copy must be 'somewhere' and it really would be helpful in your research. Normally Banns had to read in the Church for some weeks, this was a speedy way round or to marry in another County.
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You were right Capetown about Michael Andrew Nicholls could be born in Cornwall. I found him in the 1851 census at Holt Cottage, Box Wilts with his son William and wife Sophia - Michael, Father wdr. 60 yrs Painter & Glazier born Penzance, Cornwall. Margaret
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On Family Search (and can see original marriage entry) there is
A marriage at St Austell, Cornwall
22 February 1784
between James NICOLLS or NICHOLOS
to
Elizabeth PENHALL
witnesses
Thomas PENHALL and John JOLYAN?
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My Mum's side of the family from Gloucestershire, the male line, carried a female surname, as one of their names, for over 150 years.
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That looks promising. I will look into it. Margaret
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On their Death Certificates - John born in Bath, Somerset and Caroline in Suffolk.
Any help would be very much appreciated. regards, Margaret, NZ
On Ancestry, there is a John Mortimer baptised 2 Mar 1800 Saint James,Bath,Somerset,England. Father William and mother Elizabeth. If I've got the right John fits with: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/205969840/john-william-mortimer
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Thanks Sikes, Yes, this is the burial site for John at the Omaka Cemetery, Blenheim, NZ. On John and Caroline's Marriage Certificate his father is John. I haven't much hope of getting any further with John. regards, Margaret
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General Register Office
MORTIMER John aged 84
GRO Reference : 1852 S Qtr Bradford, Wilts & Somerset :
As the year is 1852 and John is aged 84 (c1768)
? Possibly too old for the father of John.
? Is this John on the 1851 census anywhere.
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General Register Office
MORTIMER John aged 84
GRO Reference : 1852 S Qtr Bradford, Wilts & Somerset :
As the year is 1852 and John is aged 84 (c1768)
? Possibly too old for the father of John.
? Is this John on the 1851 census anywhere.
That will be Bradford-on-Avon, Wiltshire. Not far from Bath, Somerset.
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Thank you Capetown and K Garrad
On Ancestry- John Mortimer D 17.8.1752 Broughton Gifford, Wilts aged 84
In 1851 census - Common, Broughton Gifford - John visitor 83 Wdr Weaver Born Broughton Gifford with son William 49 Weaver and wife Susannah 46 & family
1841- Broughton Gifford- John 70 yrs with William & Susannah & family
In FT on Ancestry - William marr 1824 Susanna Wakely.
William's father - John 1767-1852 , Mother Rebecca Helps 1768-1837
I will look into this family later - I have an eye infection, so not able to focus at moment. Many thanks, Margaret
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BMD Registers
The Official Non-Conformist and Non-Parichial BMD Service
In Association with the National Archives
http://www.bmdregisters.co.uk
Forename: William
Surname: NICHOLLS
Father: Andrew Nicholls
Year : 1833
Baptism : Penzance, Cornwall
Recordset: RG4/0107
Bible Christian’s At the Penzance Circuit, Cornwall
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Michael Thomas NICHOLLS
Father: Andrew NICHOLLS
1813, Bradford, Wiltshire.
Morgan Hill Independent Chapel in Bradford, Wiltshire
Looks as though you have to purchase credits.
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Thank you Capetown for this site - looks interesting. Margaret